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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Kuririn Fan » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:50 am

rereboy wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Yeah, but that would be pretty fucked up.
Piccolo did just that when he trapped everyone in the ROSAT with Buu.
Definitely not his best moment...

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by rereboy » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:40 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Yeah, but that would be pretty fucked up.
Piccolo did just that when he trapped everyone in the ROSAT with Buu.
Definitely not his best moment...
Actually it was one of his best moments. It showed how smart he was and how far he was willing to go to make sure the Earth was saved. Basically, even without great power, he totally neutralized Buu, who only managed to escape due to a phenomenon that nobody knew about.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Gohanhx » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:46 am

Thoughts on Cell Arc? It's Dope.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Mattias_ » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:52 am

The worst arc on DB.

That's what I think.
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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by The Patrolman » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:40 pm

I used to love it but growing up I saw the glaring flaws

Cell to me gets interesting when he is in his Perfect form and even then he gets to be really bland during his fight with Gohan in SSJ2.

Vegeta scares me with his obsession to be the best. It makes me think that people who say that Vegeta in Super reverted back to his Cell arc days have no idea what his is like. Vegeta in Super is willing to fight for Trunks and Bulma because he loves them. He is willing to be a student of Whis. He is willing to let Beerus order him around. Just because he still wants to be stronger than Goku means shit towards his character. In the rewrite of the ending Vegeta specifically said after Goku left with Uub that he will one day surpass him. Vegeta in the Cell arc is like Crazy Steve (the worst incarnation of Batman). He does not give a shit about any one else but himself. I know its a duh since Vegeta is like that but here its like how DBZA said it.

Trunks: Do you live in your own little world

Vegeta: Yes but unfortunately I have to share it with all you

Thats his character in this arc
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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:04 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote: Yeah, but that would be pretty fucked up.
No. It would have been simple logic.
Kuririn Fan wrote:
rereboy wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Yeah, but that would be pretty fucked up.
Piccolo did just that when he trapped everyone in the ROSAT with Buu.
Definitely not his best moment...
Are you insane? That was one of the best Piccolo moments.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Ohms » Sun May 01, 2016 10:34 am

I personally regard it as the weakest arc in the Z portion of the series . Don't get me wrong I love Trunks and Cell but I just can't give it the nod for being so convoluted with it's many time lines and swapping out of villains. There are no real land marks in the arc just waste lands where fights take place and the Gohan SSJ2 transformation while cool is kind dubious with no prior relationship between him and #16. I also feel the arc's fight sequences aren't fantastic either and this was the arc that really made the human characters feel worthless (minus the Tenshenhan Ki Ko Ho).To me the Freeza arc is stronger for it's cat and mouse games and the Boo arc had a lot of comedic charm with both having better climaxes.

I do still enjoy the arc though.
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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Gorou » Sun May 01, 2016 11:34 am

"human characters feel worthless"

Is the arc where humans are absolutely fundamental, starting with Bulma, who builds the most important machine in the saga.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Ohms » Sun May 01, 2016 1:35 pm

I was referring mostly to Tenshenhan, Chaozu, Yamucha and Kuririn. During the Saiyan arc all had some contribution in the fight against Nappa and most were dead in the Freeza arc so the trend of Saiyans being seen as the only useful fighters wasn't really apparent until the Cell arc.
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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Gorou » Sun May 01, 2016 1:55 pm

Ohms wrote:I was referring mostly to Tenshenhan, Chaozu, Yamucha and Kuririn. During the Saiyan arc all had some contribution in the fight against Nappa and most were dead in the Freeza arc so the trend of Saiyans being seen as the only useful fighters wasn't really apparent until the Cell arc.
That sounds very strange considering that Tenshenhan, Chaozu, Yamucha and Kuririn couldn't even injure Nappa, while Goku defeated him in a few minutes.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Ohms » Sun May 01, 2016 2:00 pm

Dragon Ball has had Goku swoop in last minute and save the day since Piccolo Daimao, it's irreverent if they were successful or not, at least they weren't just spectators is all I meant
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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Gorou » Sun May 01, 2016 2:09 pm

There was talk of usefulness, not participation in battles. Yajirobe was the most helpful, but not thanks to its strength.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 01, 2016 3:15 pm

TekTheNinja wrote: Are you insane? That was one of the best Piccolo moments.
I'm not insane and that was far from Piccolo's best moments. If he's so smart and "strategist", he should've noticed that Gotenks is one goofy motherfucker and let him finish the damn sentence.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 01, 2016 3:21 pm

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by rereboy » Sun May 01, 2016 3:45 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote: Are you insane? That was one of the best Piccolo moments.
I'm not insane and that was far from Piccolo's best moments. If he's so smart and "strategist", he should've noticed that Gotenks is one goofy motherfucker and let him finish the damn sentence.
It's Gotenks the one who is stupid, not Piccolo. Piccolo planned to have the battle in ROSAT precisely because he understood that he could trap Buu if it didn't go well, and he also understood that he wouldn't get many chances to trap Buu. Even if there was a chance that Gotenks was faking it and Piccolo realized that, Piccolo couldn't risk it and let the chance of trapping Buu slip by.

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 01, 2016 3:51 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:
TekTheNinja wrote: Are you insane? That was one of the best Piccolo moments.
I'm not insane and that was far from Piccolo's best moments. If he's so smart and "strategist", he should've noticed that Gotenks is one goofy motherfucker and let him finish the damn sentence.
It's Gotenks the one who is stupid, not Piccolo. Piccolo planned to have the battle in ROSAT precisely because he understood that he could trap Buu if it didn't go well, and he also understood that he wouldn't get many chances to trap Buu. Even if there was a chance that Gotenks was faking it and Piccolo realized that, Piccolo couldn't risk it and let the chance of trapping Buu slip by.
Piccolo was way too serious for that scene...

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by rereboy » Sun May 01, 2016 4:32 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote: Piccolo was way too serious for that scene...
Yeah, if he actually knew he was in a comic book and wasn't a real person...

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 01, 2016 4:35 pm

rereboy wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: Piccolo was way too serious for that scene...
Yeah, if he actually knew he was in a comic book and wasn't a real person...
Right, anyway, the thread's name is "Thoughts on Cell arc".
So, any thoughts?

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by rereboy » Sun May 01, 2016 4:48 pm

The Cell arc has good things going on but its the weakest arc of DBZ and the Cell games are the weakest portion of Dragon Ball (at least until DB GT started).

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Re: Thoughts on Cell arc

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun May 01, 2016 4:52 pm

rereboy wrote:The Cell arc has good things going on but its the weakest arc of DBZ and the Cell games are the weakest portion of Dragon Ball (at least until DB GT started).
Yeah, i can see where you're coming from. It's just that i love all 10 manga arcs and don't have the weakest arc or weakest portion of that story. But i do have favorite - Majin Boo arc.

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