Since this appears to be a ongoing fanmanga, I thought it needed it's own thread instead of just posting every page. It appears to be in korean I think, by a popular Dragon Ball fan artist Yura Kim, also known as GoddessMechanic2
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Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Definitely wouldn't have minded to see this happen and, in fact, it's a battle present in my ideas for an F rewrite. I hope to see the remaining pages, I'd give Freeza an edge though.
Doctor. wrote:Definitely wouldn't have minded to see this happen and, in fact, it's a battle present in my ideas for an F rewrite. I hope to see the remaining pages, I'd give Freeza an edge though.
I wouldn't have had Gohan stand a chance against 4th form Freeza, but at least give 1st form a good fight/beating. I like to think he no longer needs his second and third forms. Though if I did, then I'd just have Goku and Freeza skip to Blue/Golden if Gohan put up some fight against 4th form Freeza to move things along.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Doctor. wrote:Definitely wouldn't have minded to see this happen and, in fact, it's a battle present in my ideas for an F rewrite. I hope to see the remaining pages, I'd give Freeza an edge though.
I wouldn't have had Gohan stand a chance against 4th form Freeza, but at least give 1st form a good fight/beating. I like to think he no longer needs his second and third forms. Though if I did, then I'd just have Goku and Freeza skip to Blue/Golden if Gohan put up some fight against 4th form Freeza to move things along.
I would have loved a scenario like that to actually happen in the movie. I'm getting kinda sick of Gohan/Piccolo/Anyone not Goku or Vegeta being used as measuring stick for the new villain/antagonist.
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Doctor. wrote:Definitely wouldn't have minded to see this happen and, in fact, it's a battle present in my ideas for an F rewrite. I hope to see the remaining pages, I'd give Freeza an edge though.
I wouldn't have had Gohan stand a chance against 4th form Freeza, but at least give 1st form a good fight/beating. I like to think he no longer needs his second and third forms. Though if I did, then I'd just have Goku and Freeza skip to Blue/Golden if Gohan put up some fight against 4th form Freeza to move things along.
I would have loved a scenario like that to actually happen in the movie. I'm getting kinda sick of Gohan/Piccolo/Anyone not Goku or Vegeta being used as measuring stick for the new villain/antagonist.
Well no, no matter what he'd be a measuring stick. It's just this way there's some more to offer him than just solely being a punching bag. It's basically letting him be a worthwhile measuring stick, while letting some face be saved. The thing is him being a measuring stick at his current state, meant nothing since he was built up as being pathetic. So it fails to elevate Freeza truly, and buries Gohan hard. So on both accounts the measuring stick fails.
In the Boo arc Gohan elevates Boo. He was rusty sure, but he's still treated as a legitimate threat. Goku says if Gohan gets mad no one can beat him, and Vegeta and Goku are compared as not being completely out of Gohan's current league. So when Boo easily pummels him, it meant something. It meant "Oh shit he beat Gohan easily. Goku and Vegeta aren't that much stronger so what are they gonna do? Oh crap Vegeta knocked out Goku. How does he hope to beat Boo alone?" This is what we got from the series progressing. Sure Gohan was still somewhat shat on, but not completely thrown away as a threat. He also was being built up to come back from his failure (Only for the biggest waste in the history of the series to occur unforgettably). Boo was built up well. The stakes were up, and the next confrontation was eagerly anticipated.
With F we have Gohan trying to elevate Freeza, but failing miserably. Gohan is a joke at this point, so he can't elevate Freeza very well. What do we wonder when he's defeated? "He beat Gohan who's so laughably below Goku and Vegeta. Wait why should we be afraid when Goku and Vegeta could just as easily have done that?" It's like using old Kane vs new Kane to elevate. Beating old Kane would be considered a feat. Beating new Kane is nothing special. Could also be applied to Khali when he was considered a threat, but he was a shit wrestler.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I definitely like the idea. Like you, I don't think I'd have Gohan do so well against final form Freeza though. Heck, it might also have been somewhat interesting to see what Gotenks would have done if he had been in the film or hadn't been wasted in Super.
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Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
