"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Ajay]

Anyone knows who's the voice actor of Super Shenlong?

Same as regular Shenlong from Kai and Super so far: Ryūzaburō Ōtomo, I believe.

[alakazam^]

Herms summed it up best

Most "canon" debates do end up boiling down to simply "I like this, therefore it must be canon" vs "I don't like this, therefore it can't be canon". I guess it's nice to see someone being honest about it for a change.

Except it isn't relevant to the current discussion because Kuririn Fan just called GT garbage. And, did you just ignore him asking you to stop calling him a nerd and a douchebag? Is he one? Because I'm pretty sure these kind of spineless insults are frown upon here.

[dbzfan7]

Herms summed it up best

Most "canon" debates do end up boiling down to simply "I like this, therefore it must be canon" vs "I don't like this, therefore it can't be canon". I guess it's nice to see someone being honest about it for a change.

Except it isn't relevant to the current discussion because Kuririn Fan just called GT garbage. And, did you just ignore him asking you to stop calling him a nerd and a douchebag? Is he one? Because I'm pretty sure these kind of spineless insults are frown upon here.

No I said people who enforce their idea of canon as fact are nerdy douchebags who take the series too seriously. Like a theist who says their own god is the true god, and then tells everyone else their beliefs are wrong (Or an atheist chastising a theists on their belief). Anyone who shoves their belief as the one true belief, is a self centered douche who puts themselves on a pedestal above the rest. Funny enough I also quoted one of his old posts which is literally exactly how the debacle should be treated in the first place. There's a very good reason why The Kanzenshuu team does not post anything about canon/what is and isn't canon. They don't know, and no one else does.

[FuriusMarius]

Well... At least one thing is sure... SUPER and Gt don't feet together at all. You need to choose one timeline or another one... GT can't be a continuation of Super.

[sintzu]

We know there's an episode called copy Vegeta and we know that Monaka will fight Goku in the next episode even though he's just a normal guy...or demon.

What if the Vegeta copy and Monaka are the same person, some kind of clayface type of villain who can copy anyone's look ?

[ChronoTwigger]

Open franchise: everything's fine until is done by the proper owner.
DBZ became an open franchise 20 years ago. Toriyama granted Bandai and Toei rights to use characters of DB to do whatever.
Card games, videogames, spin offs, movies.
You get characters and settings and use them to make stuff.

Canon and continuity are american comic issues, 'cause you have to justify why Batman loose against The Flash in that #143 episode.
In an open franchise you can create a series where Batman fight with Sonic the Hedgehog and cucumbers against Magneto in year 1432. And that's fine.
Each product of the franchise is untied, or only relatively tied, to the others.
In card game, crilin+yamcha beat goku. Is "canon"?

So, GT and Super belong to an open franchise, that use characters and some tropes to create a story. Nothing else. Super is not DBZ "next" series and GT not even. They also could make Goku and Batman fightin Mickey Mouse in year 321, if they want.
Welcome to the industry. Is not Toriyama or our tastes or continuity that define "what's legit". In an open franchise, every product of the owner IS LEGIT.

...while illogical.

[alakazam^]

It's possible Mr. Satan had a Monaka suit made so it could become his gym's mascot and, for some reason, Beers has everyone helping him fool Goku. Maybe that's why Kuririn uses the Taiyouken so that Beers can wear the costume.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's possible Mr. Satan had a Monaka suit made so it could become his gym's mascot and, for some reason, Beers has everyone helping him fool Goku. Maybe that's why Kuririn uses the Taiyouken so that Beers can wear the costume.

My bet would be that Kuririn blinds Goku with the Taiyoken to prevent him from seeing the costume fall off or something.

[sintzu]

I think the reason no one official has said anything about what's canon and what isn't is because the Japanese fans don't care about it.

I think we can all agree that the events that accrued from the beginning of the manga up till the end of the fight with Kid Buu are canon but everything else is open.

We have 2 versions of the ending and maybe a 3rd one on the way, 2 versions or Bardock's story and 2 versions of Trunks' story.

We have 19 movies, we have 3 OVA's and one of them has 2 version, we have a series set after the manga's events and one set before it's ending which is currently ongoing.

There's going to be countless more stuff in the future weather it's from Toriyama or someone else so these debates are going to increase over time so what I'd like them to do is to say : this is canon, this is not canon and that's how it will be until we say otherwise.

Disney did it with star wars so why can't they do it with DB ?

[Chuquita]

It's possible Mr. Satan had a Monaka suit made so it could become his gym's mascot and, for some reason, Beers has everyone helping him fool Goku. Maybe that's why Kuririn uses the Taiyouken so that Beers can wear the costume.

My bet would be that Kuririn blinds Goku with the Taiyoken to prevent him from seeing the costume fall off or something.

I agree with this. I'm certain it's going to be a game of "how long can we fool Gokû for".

[LightBing]

If you guys/girls theory's are confirmed, it will be a fun premise for a peace time episode. Even better because of Kuririn's and Piccolo's participation. I just hope they don't bend the characters too much, for the sake of comedy.
Please don't make Goku an obtuse fool, specially when he's been showing his brains in the last few episodes.

[Chuquita]

It's a Toshio episode, so I don't think Gokû's going to be that easily fooled. Toshio's Gokû tends to be pretty smart.

[Sodhi]

To be honest though goku is dumb when it comes to these things that are non-fighting. He will literally believe its the real monaka while from its size its clearly not.

[Araki]

We could see a case where it's implied that Goku knows it's Beerus, but plays the fool so he can fight him anyway.
I mean, sometimes we don't really know if Goku is actually being naive or just trolling/playing along.

[HeroR]

Neither does the End of Z fit either.

How?

The ages are somewhat screw up if BOG now starts a year after Buu in Super which now ruins the ending to the anime. Pan would be 9 instead of 4 years old. The normal "10 years of peace" has been thrown out of the window for a long time now since we had Hirudegarn (if Movie 13 still happens), Beerus, Freeza and Champa after Buu.[/quote]

There is nothing to suggest that the series only takes place a year after the Buu Saga. Gohan was 16 and still in high school in the Buu Saga, and in Super he's married and has a high profile job. That's not happening in just a year.


On the subject on Goku's intelligence, Goku is not stupid. He is book dumb, not socially fit into human society, and choses only to use his intelligence towards fighting. That, however, doesn't make him stupid. Some fans seem to think Goku is a dumbass in everything not related in fighting when he gives sagely advice to Krillin and Gohan.

[Kuririn Fan]

dbzfan7
I don't know why you're writing all this unnecessary stuff. All i'm saying is, it's quite easy to see that GT doesn't fit. I don't care about canon and i ain't shoving canon dick in anyone's mouth. And i'm not stupid, of course that non canon doesn't mean bad, i love Z movie 13 for example.

[Chuquita]

Next week we get episode summaries via NewType, so at least we'll have a better idea what things like copy-Vegeta and the superhuman water are.

[dbzfan7]

dbzfan7
I don't know why you're writing all this unnecessary stuff. All i'm saying is, it's quite easy to see that GT doesn't fit. I don't care about canon and i ain't shoving canon dick in anyone's mouth. And i'm not stupid, of course that non canon doesn't mean bad, i love Z movie 13 for example.

Have nothing else to really say, you clearly are, I've seen your posts outside of these. People thought power level nuts were the only crazy Dragon Ball fans for wanking so much . I'd love to picture the same people go to churches and tell other people their gods are false and then list their logistics of why their personal belief in a different god or no god is right. It's not much different from canon considering the word relates even to religious text and holy scriptures. Even more hilarious when these canon crazies look senile to a guy who writes food and poop jokes in his manga for young boys.

*EDIT* Heads up to people who don't care about this conversation and may be picking up right from here. Skip the next several posts so you don't waste your time with nonsense you don't care about. Just a warning for those who want real info, and not closed minded tripe.

[Kuririn Fan]

dbzfan7
I don't know why you're writing all this unnecessary stuff. All i'm saying is, it's quite easy to see that GT doesn't fit. I don't care about canon and i ain't shoving canon dick in anyone's mouth. And i'm not stupid, of course that non canon doesn't mean bad, i love Z movie 13 for example.

Have nothing else to really say, you clearly are, I've seen your posts outside of these. People thought power level nuts were the only crazy Dragon Ball fans for wanking so much . I'd love to picture the same people go to churches and tell other people their gods are false and then list their logistics of why their personal belief in a different god or no god is right. It's not much different from canon considering the word relates even to religious text and holy scriptures. Even more hilarious when these canon crazies look senile to a guy who writes food and poop jokes in his manga for young boys.

What the fuck are you even talking about, dude? We clearly do not understand each other, we should stop, this has nothing to do with the thread.

[dbzfan7]

dbzfan7
I don't know why you're writing all this unnecessary stuff. All i'm saying is, it's quite easy to see that GT doesn't fit. I don't care about canon and i ain't shoving canon dick in anyone's mouth. And i'm not stupid, of course that non canon doesn't mean bad, i love Z movie 13 for example.

Have nothing else to really say, you clearly are, I've seen your posts outside of these. People thought power level nuts were the only crazy Dragon Ball fans for wanking so much . I'd love to picture the same people go to churches and tell other people their gods are false and then list their logistics of why their personal belief in a different god or no god is right. It's not much different from canon considering the word relates even to religious text and holy scriptures. Even more hilarious when these canon crazies look senile to a guy who writes food and poop jokes in his manga for young boys.

What the fuck are you even talking about, dude? We clearly do not understand each other, we should stop, this has nothing to do with the thread.

No it's clearly very one sided understanding. So much so I get a couple notes from other users about how funnily one sided it is and how I really shouldn't bother discussing canon with such a closed minded, hypocritical community that treats canon of a children's series like religion. If there's finally a lick of truth you speak, it's that the topic needs to stop since it really has nothing to do with the thread. Though devolving threads into nonsense is what power level enthusiasts and Canonist's do best.