Bullza wrote:It is complicated and there's no opinion about that.
And I don't see it as complicated as you make it sound, especially with all the other things we have seen in this franchise.
Bullza wrote:The anime takes precedence and this thread and most discussion in general revolve around the anime anyway.
Yes, the anime has only one base with is 1/50 of SSG, and SS is as strong as SSG. But I'm not talking about that. The thread is about Super, and I'm talking about Super. The anime & manga are 2 separate things, and I'm not talking about what's more "canon" than the other, I'm just talking about the manga right now. If you are not interested to talk about the manga, no one is forcing you to talk.
The fact is, the manga has made no mention of Goku absorbing the power of SSG, and base/SS Goku & Vegeta are so far portrayed to be on their regular levels, since there is no mention of Piccolo doing any special training & he still falls below Boo and between base & SS Goku. However, the BoG arc was rushed, the FnF arc was skipped, but the U6 arc is more detailed than Toriyama's story draft and Toriyama is supervising its creation. So, it is very possible that the U6 arc of the manga is following Toriyama's movies, since the BoG arc of the manga doesn't appear to be meant to be taken seriously, where Goku absorbed the power of SSG and his base form became almost as strong as SSG. So, since base Goku is so far portrayed to be at his regular level, the idea that Goku absorbed the power of SSG may be introduced later in the manga at a point where it will be relevant.
Or, the manga may have actually retconned the movies, and base/SS Goku & Vegeta will forever remain below SP Cell. We'll have to wait and see. But you can't state for a fact that there aren't 2 base forms in the manga.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
