DBZ Season 1 - High quality clips!

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:52 pm

Wow... I just saw the second Goku vs Vegeta clip, and the quality is GREAT. Much better than the previous R1s. The color is different than the Dragonbox, and there's little bit of dirt, but over all, it's very nice.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:59 pm

Thanks for the great quality clips!

Unfortunately, if they're any indication of the DVD quality... The general blurriness of of the image sticks out like a sore thumb to me, and I find myself constantly glancing at the bottom of the screen trying to determine whether I think the new framing works or not. The latter is a mixed bag: I think it looks fine for plenty of shots, but then one always comes along where it looks gratuitously awful (with the top and/or bottom of the frame cutting into people's eyes or mouths). It's also really weird how those evening scenes of the Goku and Vegeta fight have a bright blue sky.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:51 pm

Honestly, it looks much better in motion than the caps show.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:53 pm

bkev wrote:Honestly, it looks much better in motion than the caps show.

Really? I thought it looked worse, and it made my stomach jump.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:56 pm

It didn't make my stomach jump as such, but I really don't see how people can say it looks better in motion than in the screencaps. It looks exactly as I expected - watchable in most shots, but overly cramped and with reasonably frequent points where the framing looks painfully awkward. Also, I think the cropping actively makes the action scenes harder to follow (in the case of the Goku/Vegeta fight which had a lot of close-ups), which is a shame since I think the composition of the fight scenes is one of the show's strengths.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:00 pm

Well, comparing cha-la to my UUC, at least it seems better to me.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:00 pm

I don't know if it's just me, but the cropping didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. But what DOES bother the bejeezus outta me, is the altered colors, the jittery-ness that fucks with your eyes when trying to watch it, and the amount of dirt/smudge/hair/particle/artifact BULLSHIT everywhere... in almost every frame...

The cropping was slightly watchable, it was the "REMAZTURED LAWL" that ruined it... the remastering made it worse than the Pioneer releases, imo.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:29 pm

Thank you for the clips. Thy shall be put in my ipod, until I get my set.

-Rick

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:27 pm

nathantheguitarist wrote:I don't know if it's just me, but the cropping didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. But what DOES bother the bejeezus outta me, is the altered colors, the jittery-ness that fucks with your eyes when trying to watch it, and the amount of dirt/smudge/hair/particle/artifact BULLSHIT everywhere... in almost every frame...

The cropping was slightly watchable, it was the "REMAZTURED LAWL" that ruined it... the remastering made it worse than the Pioneer releases, imo.

QFT. I mean, the crap in the opening I could accept...but it seems that the entire "frame by frame" remastering was the BIGGEST bullshit of all.

Busaiku · Post by **Busaiku** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:41 pm

The 16x9 really doesn't bother me all that much.
What's really noticeable though is that dirt and glue, it's all over the place. I've never seen any of FUNimation's Ultimate Uncut releases, so I'm wondering if they were similar?
I recently bought Viz's latest Ranma 1/2 release of Digital Dojo, which are basically the VHS masters transfered into DVD format, and don't even remember them being as bad as this.
I'm not really saying the dirt and glue completely ruin the experience, but it is rather noticeable.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:51 pm

I'm sorry but this looks even worse in motion, because with screencaps you can at least ASSUME that whatever is missing may pop into the next frame, but the reality appears to be the opposite from what I'm seeing here, and it looks a cropped mess. I'm not deliberately trying to find faults with this set, but without even trying it looks completely wrong 90% of the time, and people should stop convincing themselves otherwise. At one point I went to scroll the image up thinking the player window had cut some of it off, until I realised I was actually getting the FULL presentation. If you don't call that noticable, I don't know what is.

To those of you who don't notice the cropping, I really do envy you, and I hope you enjoy this release. But there are a few people on this forum now who I think are trying to convince themselves that they're ok with everything, and they should probably stop kidding themselves.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:59 pm

I think the difference between these and the old releases is that the old ones looked normal - like an old transfer of an old show - whereas this looks like a bizarre mixture between (a) sharp detail, (b) blurry obfuscation of detail and (c) frequent film defects and shaking. On top of that, it's lacking the layer of film grain that helps to make the image look more natural. The result is, to put it simply, really weird-looking.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:23 pm

Glad everyone is enjoying the clips and nice to know the server is holding up.

I'll be posting some clips from the Raditz stuff later today and those will most likely be the final clips I'll be adding. Stay tuned for those!

... this almost sounds like I'm updating a site.. those were the days..

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:30 pm

Pieter wrote:By the way, when I pauze these clips I often see a lot of ghosting and interlacing. Is the ghosting also on the dvd's itself? Or are they a product of the encoding, because now it looks like funimation run a framerate doubler on it.

The guy who made the clips did a 'blend fields' to get rid of the interlacing instead of a proper inverse telecine. That's why you can sometimes see two frames at once.

But its just on the vids he made.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:34 pm

According to FUNimation this set was progressively encoded, so it shouldn't need an inverse telecine at all.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:39 pm

Mystery Person X wrote:According to FUNimation this set was progressively encoded, so it shouldn't need an inverse telecine at all.

Look at the clips the guy made. Whatever encoding process he used still produced interlaced frames (you do realize the MPEG2 stream has things called 'pulldown flags' that generate the interlaced video from a prgessive source for standard TVs. All his encoding process had to do was obey those flags. Which they did because his vids are running at 29.97 frames per second. But the progressive video is encoded at 24 (23.976)).

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:40 pm

I don't recall disagreeing with you.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:38 pm

Mystery Person X wrote:I don't recall disagreeing with you.

Ah, I read it as such (with many distractions around me I must not have read it correctly, so I apologize).

Yeah, he could have just pulled the progressive frames, but I know the software I use, you have to tell it to do so. Otherwise it obeys the pulldown flags.

On a side note, according to the software I use, its not 100% progressive, but like 99% progressive. They seemed to have snuck in an interlaced frame between the episode recap and the episode itself. Black frame too, so you'd never notice. At least they got the encoding right this time around.

email2003 · Post by **email2003** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:36 pm

Remastered my ASS!

Look at all that dirt and white/black spots on the film running on the screen. $1,000 machine my........welll you know. Real lame product FUNi!

That clip where Goku begs Krillin not to kill Vegeta was nice in English but it seems it's not what Goku would be saying in Japanese. Once again, lots of black spots going up the screen.

Also, doen't it annoy you how the narrator in English always has to say, "Last time on DragonBall Z" and Next time on DragonBall Z." The Japanese narrator never mentioned the title of the series ever in his dialouge.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:13 pm

Actually the machine used, The Datacine Crap-thousand, was said to cost one and a quarter million dollars. Apparently the people operating the damn thing couldn't use it properly to save their lives.

::recalls the scene where Raditz kicks Goku::

EDIT:

Picture provided by MajinVegetaXV
Hope it's okay for me to use it.