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LowRyder2005 wrote:What happens after Ginyu switches body with a Fusion and the Fusion timer runs out to both Ginyu and the fusees?
1) The soul switch won't work
2) Ginyu's soul will switch with one of the fusees, and will inhabit the body of whose soul he switched with when the time is over.
3a) Ginyu will switch bodies with the fusee. When the time is over, Ginyu's soul will separate into the two different bodies. This may or may not kill him. The fused souls may or may not separate, but will be trapped in one body.
3b) Ginyu will switch bodies with the fusee. When the time is over, the fused body will not separate. The fused souls may or may not separate, but will be trapped in one body.
SaiyajinGokuWarrior wrote:What-If: If Goku turned Super Saiyan during his battle with Raditz? How it would affect the timeline? What impact it will make?
...Goku lets Cell reach his Perfect Form for a good fight...
I disagree with this part. Goku is a Saiyan and he can be very selfish, but I think he would be aware enough to not let that happen. It would be like Buu, "Good bye Cell, I hope you come back some day!"
I guess this is more of a "What if the movies were consistent with each other?", but still:
What if Cooler (or maybe Frieza) noticed that Baby Broly was floating around in a green shield when Planet Vegeta exploded? I've been thinking about this because Cooler--according to his movie, of course--was there and noticed (again, according to this movie) Goku's pod escaping Planet Vegeta's destruction. So I find it silly that he wouldn't notice the superpowered Saiyan baby just kind of floating around and escaping, even though the obvious answer is that Cooler's movie was made before Broly's, and they chose not to account for Cooler in the Broly origin.
So yeah...do you think Cooler would have been as dismissive, or would he have attempted action and seen Broly as a threat to not just Frieza but him as well?
If we want to make the film continuities work together, maybe Coola assumed the two Saiyans would die without air after burning the rest of their ki. Where else could they possibly go in the vastness of space? He never portrayed himself as paranoid as Freeza and probably applied the same logic to Goku in that his brother should clean up his own messes.
What if, Buutenks had absorbed Tien? sure it wouldn't of been a very big power increase but he would've gained Tri-beam/Kikoho, do you think that with Tien's ultimate attack he would've been able to defeated Vegito? I mean infinite stamina and regen, he could pretty much keep using it forever
Pocket-God wrote:What if, Buutenks had absorbed Tien? sure it wouldn't of been a very big power increase but he would've gained Tri-beam/Kikoho, do you think that with Tien's ultimate attack he would've been able to defeated Vegito? I mean infinite stamina and regen, he could pretty much keep using it forever
Buuhan with Kikoho/ Tri Beam could actually kill vegito.
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Pocket-God wrote:What if, Buutenks had absorbed Tien? sure it wouldn't of been a very big power increase but he would've gained Tri-beam/Kikoho, do you think that with Tien's ultimate attack he would've been able to defeated Vegito? I mean infinite stamina and regen, he could pretty much keep using it forever
Buuhan with Kikoho/ Tri Beam could actually kill vegito.
I don't see how considering vegito was kicking his ass to the point even when he was candy.
If we're talking about the "humans are somehow magically Ginyu level or below even by the end of series" fan-universe, then yes... Super Buu with Shin Kikoho can destroy the strongest candy in the universe. Maybe even with a single blast, particularly if he is actually in candy form (or base form!) at the time. If this existing-in-the-minds-of-the-fans-only alternate universe's weakened-beyond-all-logic Tenshinhan could repeatedly knock Cell back and even hurt him (slightly, like causing pain but no actual damage beyond minor surface level scuffs) with it despite being hundreds/thousands(/ten-thousands?) of times weaker than Cell, then Buu should be able to do far more than that to someone who should be no more than 50 times stronger than him (assuming he went Super Saiyan because he needed to in order to drastically overpower Buu, or following the anime's version where Buu was close enough to his base form to put up a fight but was kicked around effortlessly by his Super Saiyan form.) Even going SSj2 might not be enough for Vegerot to handle that, and SSj3 isn't even guaranteed to be part of his arsenal considering that Vegeta didn't have it. The only possibility for Vegerot's survival (assuming he gets hit with the Shin Kikoho in the first place) is if Shin Kikoho functions the way it does in another bizarro fan-theory universe and only pushes things rather than actually hurting them, but that would just be silly.
In the regular DBZ universe... eh, maybe a similar situation to Tenshinhan vs. Cell? Or maybe Buu will be able to do a bit more damage than that since the gap still shouldn't be nearly as large as the one between Tenshinhan and Cell, even if you're giving Tenshinhan a reasonable power level. But this would probably just lead to Vegerot transforming further beyond regular Super Saiyan and overpowering him anyway.
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Another possibility is Vegerot instant-transmissioning behind Buu as soon as he starts to make the Kikoho pose, before he can actually pull the attack off. Or even in between blasts, in the case that they're only enough to cause minor damage. Cell didn't have that option.
Pocket-God wrote:What if, Buutenks had absorbed Tien? sure it wouldn't of been a very big power increase but he would've gained Tri-beam/Kikoho, do you think that with Tien's ultimate attack he would've been able to defeated Vegito? I mean infinite stamina and regen, he could pretty much keep using it forever
In that case, buutenks would've killed gohan with a kikoho, no buuhan.
Then he destroys earth. No goku, no vegeta, no vegetto.
Buutenks de-fuses to super piccolo buu.
What if Future Gohan went back in time, and Trunks was the one that died in his place. Merely from a story perspective, and not a battle power one, would the Cyborg arc be better off for it? I believe there was a hell of a lot of wasted potential with Trunks, and wonder if Future Gohan would have brought out a more solid arc. A story with him around may tie up the ending better as I felt present Gohan was not very well set up for the conclusion of this story arc. Past and future going off one another. Different world perspectives clashing. Different attitudes from a apocalyptic world and a still living world. Or should Trunks have just had far more interaction with Gohan on these things to set up the climax better?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
jplaya2023 wrote:what if kami killed piccolo at the 23tb rendering the DBs useless.
how does the series play out?
Goku loses the motivation to train, (the motivation to always be above piccolo in power).
Raditz comes in 5 years later, takes gohan with him to lock inside the pod. Goku , roshi and krillin go to fight him. Raditz gets tail caught. Goku leaves his tail, crushes goku, gets headbutted by gohan, then knocks gohan out, kills goku, just to get a super Kamehameha from roshi. Krillin grabs his tail from the distraction and raditz is downed. However, roshi is unable to finish raditz off.
Soon, ChiChi arrives on the spot and kills them all except gohan.
Berserker1921 wrote:What if Omega Shenron absorbed the super dragon balls? Would he be more powerful then whis?
The Super Dragon Balls would reject him by destroying his pompous ass.
No way a weaker version of Dragon Balls can produce beings that can have any effect on the real things.
dbzfan7 wrote:What if Future Gohan went back in time, and Trunks was the one that died in his place. Merely from a story perspective, and not a battle power one, would the Cyborg arc be better off for it? I believe there was a hell of a lot of wasted potential with Trunks, and wonder if Future Gohan would have brought out a more solid arc. A story with him around may tie up the ending better as I felt present Gohan was not very well set up for the conclusion of this story arc. Past and future going off one another. Different world perspectives clashing. Different attitudes from a apocalyptic world and a still living world. Or should Trunks have just had far more interaction with Gohan on these things to set up the climax better?
Interesting would be, but I still would prefer with Trunks, could you say which potential was wasted with him?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Well, Super Dragon Balls can apparently be shaved off since that's the source of the Namekian Dragon Balls. With that in mind, he can grab his favorite utensils and start on the buffet.
If Future Gohan went back in time instead, I would imagine Gohan would not kill Freeza and King Cold because Future Gohan would be smart enough to know better to change the event. Future Gohan would have warn Goku about the future and give them three years worth of training. I think things would play out the same until Cell shows up. Without Trunks, who would Future Gohan, Goku and Gohan train with? I doubt Vegeta would train with Goku during this part of the story.
What if some colossal idiot (or Nietzsche Wannabe) somehow manages to gather the 7 Super Dragon Balls before the Universe 6 tournament can take place, and wishes for Kid Buu to be revived, but with the Godly power of Vados?
