"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Black_Liger]

The Flash Season 2 is doing literally this right now.

I'm not saying like

Yo, I'm gonna time travel and be in a different dimention within my universe. Like the Flashpoint paradox.

It seems Toriyama will use time travel to reach different eras on more than one universe. Like literally universes not continuities or distorted timelines. (I suck explaining)

[namekiansaiyan]

I think Goku will not beat the main villain as it would be stupid. Maybe Beerus and Whis defeat him or Piccolo gets Namekian God or Trunks has been trying to perfect a new form or a team effort or another type of fusion which involves trunks and Gohan or Vegeta finall gets to beat 'Goku'.

Keep in mind this is a Toei idea so chances are they're going to want Goku to be the hero.

You have good ideas but it seems like they're afraid of doing something like that, Look how they handled Freeza, even though Vegeta saved Goku and beat him they still couldn't let him have a full victory in fear of it taking away from Goku.

They made Vegeta look good against Frieza but if he did finish Frieza off then that would of changed the script and Toriyama might not have been impressed.


In the interview we also got told how much involvement Toriyama has, so hopefully the changes Toei make to the plot make the characters look better like they did with Vegeta.

[ArchedThunder]

I think Goku will not beat the main villain as it would be stupid. Maybe Beerus and Whis defeat him or Piccolo gets Namekian God or Trunks has been trying to perfect a new form or a team effort or another type of fusion which involves trunks and Gohan or Vegeta finall gets to beat 'Goku'.

Keep in mind this is a Toei idea so chances are they're going to want Goku to be the hero.

You have good ideas but it seems like they're afraid of doing something like that, Look how they handled Freeza, even though Vegeta saved Goku and beat him they still couldn't let him have a full victory in fear of it taking away from Goku.

Again, we don't know exactly what was suggested to him, it could have just been bringing back Trunks and at the end of the day Toriyama is still the one writing it.

[Draconic]

If it turns out it is an evil Goku, I hope it's not going to be a Turles-like character. I want evil Goku to be all Goku, personality wise, just... Well... Evil.

[sintzu]

They made Vegeta look good against Frieza but if he did finish Frieza off then that would of changed the script and Toriyama might not have been impressed.

And they made Goku look bad which gave Vegeta's role more of an impact but both they and Toriyama still didn't go all out with him but it was a step in the right direction.

I want to see something like the Saiyan arc where a villain breaks every bone in Goku's body and he can't do anything but hope that his friends can save him and the planet or the Cell arc where he's powerless to fight the main villain and it's up to someone else to do it and save the day.

[namekiansaiyan]

I think Goku will not beat the main villain as it would be stupid. Maybe Beerus and Whis defeat him or Piccolo gets Namekian God or Trunks has been trying to perfect a new form or a team effort or another type of fusion which involves trunks and Gohan or Vegeta finall gets to beat 'Goku'.

Keep in mind this is a Toei idea so chances are they're going to want Goku to be the hero.

You have good ideas but it seems like they're afraid of doing something like that, Look how they handled Freeza, even though Vegeta saved Goku and beat him they still couldn't let him have a full victory in fear of it taking away from Goku.

Again, we don't know exactly what was suggested to him, it could have just been bringing back Trunks and at the end of the day Toriyama is still the one writing it.

Obviously Toriyama writes the script but Toei are allowed to add things and change other little things as Toriyama mentioned

If it turns out it is an evil Goku, I hope it's not going to be a Turles-like character. I want evil Goku to be all Goku, personality wise, just... Well... Evil.

Black Goku could kill normal Goku and then takes his place and no one knows that and he starts his evil plan and causes chaos and because its Goku no one would believe it is him doing it until Future Trunks realises.

[sintzu]

Black Goku could kill normal Goku.

I doubt that's going to happen but with normal Goku having Ki trouble he could take advantage of that and send him to another timeline without anyone knowing about it.

[mawilex]

There's some confusing bits with time changing here and there.

Jaco does not approve of this. Like, not at all.

Sounds like a very exciting arc to me. And damn, even the Omni-King is getting involved?! And Beerus as well?! Hopefully we'll get to see our short-tempered kitten go all out this time and finally witness what he's truly capable of. It would be great to see Champa, along with Hit, Kyabe and the others joining "the party" as well, but maybe that's not going to happen.

I'm not a big fan of this idea myself, but at this point, the only way I can see Gohan staying relevant to the story is by him having a fusion with Future Trunks, because I honestly don't think he's going to / willing to train with Whis and learn how to transform into SSB. I could be wrong though, maybe he will.

[namekiansaiyan]

Black Goku could kill normal Goku.

I doubt that's going to happen but with normal Goku having Ki trouble he could take advantage of that and send him to another timeline without anyone knowing about it.

Yeah he could, I am just wondering how he can cause Zeno and the Gods trouble.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Very disappointed to hear that Trunks is returning. For God's sake ... some characters needs be left alone once their respective arcs have concluded.. (look how Frieza's return in ROF was handled, it was awful). 'Black Goku'? What ?
This is ridiculous.

Agreed. Glad i am not the only one disappointed with the lack of originality in Super.

I do not see how time travel across different universes is lacking in originality, for all I know, not even american superheroes do that, It's either time travel, or multiversal travel not the two of them. If anything this could be the most ambitious story Toriyama has ever done, I'm just gonna wait until the actual arc starts, Toriyama's writing has been really good in the U6 Tournament arc, even when he wanted it to be "bright and simple" it was real good, and since he is now avoiding that wording I'm gonna support what he aims to do.

Mirai Trunks returning is original? Nope. His arc was concluded and concluded quite well besides fanservice i can't think of any other reason why Toriyama decided to bring him back.
Evil Gokuu or Black Gokuu is original? Nope. We had already got one Tullece. Also this idea seems to be inspired from the lame fanfics which i absolutely despise.
I would agree that Toriyama's input might make this entertaining so definitely i wouldn't jump to conclusion but i am not liking the direction its going but it is just me.

[Shuby]

frieza recolloring check
super saiyan god and ssgss recolloring check
frost recollering check
black goku?

[PMD]

Wow, all this information got my super hyped!! I'm so happy it was confirmed Future Trunks is back as Toriyama and Toyotaro suggested!!

Look at those amazing new designs!

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Goku Black? The first thing I thought was this:

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But then, those theories about Masked Bardock made me REALLY hyped! So I want Goku Black to be this, so they can introduce the Time Breakers arc:

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Not gonna lie, if Bardock is this evil Goku I'm going to flip.

YEAAHH!!

And if they do Hakaishin, Kaioshin and Omni King fight, EVEN BETTER. This is going to be GOOD, fellas! Let's hope for the best and stop bitching with so little information. Let's stay positive!

[sintzu]

Black goku?

I think they're using black as a way to describe him as being evil.

But if he is black then he could look like this

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[SaiyanZ]

My biggest fear with Goku Black is that Toei is going to use this to play up the idea that Goku is a goody-two shoes. They might stop showcasing Goku's selfishness and "poison" (whatever Toriyama used to suggest that he might not be a good person), the traits that make him interesting. I'm VERY cautious about this, especially since the idea sounds so fanfic-y and doesn't betray my expectations at all (not to mention Toriyama's original script for Revival of F was horrible). That being said, Trunks's new look is awesome. I think Goku Black might be an evil version of the alien that copies Vegeta in ep 46.

[namekiansaiyan]

There's some confusing bits with time changing here and there.

Jaco does not approve of this. Like, not at all.

Sounds like a very exciting arc to me. And damn, even the Omni-King is getting involved?! And Beerus as well?! Hopefully we'll get to see our short-tempered kitten go all out this time and finally witness what he's truly capable of. It would be great to see Champa, along with Hit, Kyabe and the others joining "the party" as well, but maybe that's not going to happen.

I'm not a big fan of this idea myself, but at this point, the only way I can see Gohan staying relevant to the story is by him having a fusion with Future Trunks, because I honestly don't think he's going to / willing to train with Whis and learn how to transform into SSB. I could be wrong though, maybe he will.

Gohan has gone down the order in terms of relevance even more now.

Goku, Vegeta, Beerus,Whis, Piccolo and Future Trunks are in Toriyama' s mind more now and it looks like other Gods and characters from other universes will be involved so I cannot really think of a way of Gohan doing something apart from fusion as well. To me Gohan is in the same tier as krillin for relevancy right now.

[sintzu]

Toriyama's original script for Revival of F was horrible.

His Bardock story was even worse so I see why fans are worried about this.

I'm going to keep my expectations a bit under control cause there's a chance which is hopefully small that it's being made just to sell more Goku and Trunks figures and cards cause an evil Goku and possibly a Ssj red Trunks are going to be extremely popular.

[SaiyanZ]

Toriyama's original script for Revival of F was horrible.

His Bardock story was even worse so I see why fans are worried about this.

I'm going to keep my expectations a bit under control cause there's a chance which is hopefully small that it's being made just to sell more Goku and Trunks figures and cards cause an evil Goku and possibly a Ssj red Trunks are going to be extremely popular.

I actually don't mind the Bardock story that much, though the TV special was much better. It took time for me to like Minus in some respect though, lol.

[DbzRyan24]

Surely this evil goku has some access to time travel due to the goku in future trunks timeline already being dead?
I do think this has the potential to be a decent and exciting arc and it'll be interesting to see what level of power future trunks is at now.
Does anybody think that using the super dragonballs to wish universe 6 earth back had any impact on this upcoming story? I know it's a different timeline and all, just wondering if it could be possible

[PMD]

Toriyama's original script for Revival of F was horrible.

His Bardock story was even worse so I see why fans are worried about this.

You mean DB Minus, or The Episode of Bardock? Because the last one, I liked, and got a lot of people thinking about theories of how he ended up in the past (the theory I like the most is the Time Breakers did it, and then he became Masked Bardock, to explain it in few words). And this moment was awesome:



I really like Bardock. The fact Toriyama made him canon with DB Minus it's a little hint that he will be part of Super, especially with all the popularity he has in the videogames like DB Online, DB Xenoverse and Heroes.

[Doctor.]

Toriyama's original script for Revival of F was horrible.

His Bardock story was even worse so I see why fans are worried about this.

You mean DB Minus, or The Episode of Bardock? Because the last one, I liked, and got a lot of people thinking about theories of how he ended up in the past (the theory I like the most is the Time Breakers did it, and then he became Masked Bardock, to explain it in few words). And this moment was awesome:



I really like Bardock. The fact Toriyama made him canon with DB Minus it's a little hint that he will be part of Super, especially with all the popularity he has in the videogames like DB Online, DB Xenoverse and Heroes.

Bardock was already in the manga, he was canon before Minus.