"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[VegettoEX]

Again the question... Why the fuck has Trunks blue hair?

Toriyama has never felt the need to be consistent with colors, particularly in his character designs. Trunks had blue hair in his Battle of Gods sketches, while #18 had grey/silver hair. It's just how he does the designs, which then get sent off to the anime team at Toei for updated character designs to be created with the consistent style of the show itself.

[Lord Frieza]

People nowadays will whine and bitch about anything. Like they're spoiled little brats.
Fans: "I don't want to start right off with another tournament arc, give us another villain before that time.
Toei: "Sure, here's Black Goku!"
Fans: "Noo that's fanfiction blablabla!"

So what!? What if it is fan fiction!? Just enjoy a good story and don't worry about these "so-called" stupid rules. There has never been an Evil Goku in CANON material before. So this is a nice change of pace and original. Don't like it? Stay away.

You read my mind. Also I thought that part of the fun of Dragon Ball was there are no rules? It could go were it wanted.

[Nejishiki]

Again the question... Why the fuck has Trunks blue hair?

It's just how Toriyama drew him, ahaha. He did the same for Battle of Gods and it didn't stay in the final product.

Edit: Looks like someone else answered it first!

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Again the question... Why the fuck has Trunks blue hair?

Toriyama draws the colors different because he invisions them differently then the canon, and even though the super show is to line up with toriyama its still using the anime (canon) colors because its easier for fans to understand. He'll be purple in the show.

[Barunks]

Hopefully they'll explain how Trunks showed up in this specific point in history as opposed to literally any other year since he's seen them last. Why not show up at EoZ when his other self is an adult instead?

[kinisking]

People nowadays will whine and bitch about anything. Like they're spoiled little brats.
Fans: "I don't want to start right off with another tournament arc, give us another villain before that time."
Toei: "Sure, here's Black Goku!"
Fans: "Noo that's fanfiction blablabla!"

So what!? What if it is fan fiction!? Just enjoy a good story and don't whine about these "so-called" childish rules. There has never been an Evil Goku in CANON material before. So this is a nice change of pace and original. Don't like it? Stay away.

I think people are dissapointed in the lack of creativity. We've never had evil goku in canon, BUT that's such a cliche. How many series do this? We're all probably going to enjoy it,but we could have enjoyed it much more if it was a completely unique villian which is something we haven't seen in super so far. Beerus wasn't really a villian, freeza wasnt new, hit wasnt a villian. I want to see who's going to be the next freeza cell or boo

[DragonHermit]

Hopefully they'll explain how Trunks showed up in this specific point in history as opposed to literally any other year since he's seen them last. Why not show up at EoZ when his other self is an adult instead?

This is the #1 question I've always had with Trunks. Hopefully, the whole Super Saiyan God prophecy will play into this.

The more I think about it, the whole "Everyone will lose God ki, and memories erased by the end of Z" theory is becoming more and more plausible.

[DragonHermit]

I think people are dissapointed in the lack of creativity. We've never had evil goku in canon, BUT that's such a cliche. How many series do this? We're all probably going to enjoy it,but we could have enjoyed it much more if it was a completely unique villian which is something we haven't seen in super so far. Beerus wasn't really a villian, freeza wasnt new, hit wasnt a villian. I want to see who's going to be the next freeza cell or boo

Give me a break.

Toriyama brings in new characters/little fan service = where's gohan, why is piccolo weak. y no fan service?

Toriyama brings in old characters/fan service = lack of creativity/fan fiction.

People always want sth to bitch about.

[Chuquita]

What I worry most about in regards to this arc (outside of "We're never gonna get to visit Planet Sadla, are we?") is I don't want to see anything from DBO or Xenoverse brought in. I'm not even the type to care about "canon", but I don't want to see videogame characters and videogame plots brought into Super.

[dbzfan7]

Wow. People are really offended that there is skepticism? It's like half the fun. Seeing the skepticism. Seeing the positivity. Making predictions. Then seeing which side turns out to be closer to the end result. I tend to lean on the lower end so I can never get too disappointed. Which lead to the recent arc making me happy overall. I love seeing how people start off whether positive or negative, and then seeing where we're gonna end up. That's so cool. I get to see where the fans currently stand, and then see how things may change over time. I never got to do this back then during the original serialization.

But for some reason everyone likes stepping on each others toes? That's the one thing I don't get.This is what I call fun. Then it's ruined because in reality, it's a lot harder to handle different opposing views than we all realize. It's easier to say we can, but much harder to actually do that. Including myself of course.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The sad fact of the matter is, for a franchise that's been around as long as Dragon Ball has and for it to come back with new material after a long break, said new material is never going to please everyone. People have had far too long for their own ideas to cook in their heads and for them to develop their own ideas of 'THIS is what should happen next!', and far too many are unwilling or unable to let said expectations go, or at least to put them to the side and see what else might be able to be brought to the table.

Granted, again, I'm majorly, majorly quirking an eyebrow at this 'Goku Black' (is it that, or 'Black Goku'? I've seen both getting tossed around) idea myself, but I'm not exactly gonna toss it in the trash bin when we literally know nothing about how it's gonna be executed or how it's going to work in the long run yet.

Then it's ruined because in reality, it's a lot harder to handle different opposing views than we all realize. It's easier to say we can, but much harder to actually do that. Including myself of course.

True enough, and it's something most are guilty of at least once or twice.

Hell, I can't even count how often you and I, for example, have butted heads over this stuff.

[kinisking]

I think people are dissapointed in the lack of creativity. We've never had evil goku in canon, BUT that's such a cliche. How many series do this? We're all probably going to enjoy it,but we could have enjoyed it much more if it was a completely unique villian which is something we haven't seen in super so far. Beerus wasn't really a villian, freeza wasnt new, hit wasnt a villian. I want to see who's going to be the next freeza cell or boo

Give me a break.

Toriyama brings in new characters/little fan service = where's gohan, why is piccolo weak. y no fan service?

Toriyama brings in old characters/fan service = lack of creativity/fan fiction.

People always want sth to bitch about.

Don't get me wrong I dont consider this fan service OR fan fiction. Bringing back old characters is always cool. But I think evil goku is lazy because the amount of series that have made thier main characters evil. IF they were going to do an evil character, it would have been more interesting to have trunks, goten, or gohan. I know that seems biased, but hear me out. Trunks, goten, or gohan are more pure than goku which would make it more dramatic of a change. Second, they all have incredibly high potentials so it would be understandable for an evil version of them that presumably trains hard to be so much stronger than everyone else. Third, it would give them some time in the spot light. Not only does Goku have to be the main hero he has to be the main villian? Seriously? That's way too much Goku and too little everyone else. Especially if Goku is the one who beats evil goku (please be Vegeta). The 4th reason is that if it's one of the half breeds, they can be inspired to train harder because they would feel guilty about the whole thing. That could be character development. That's just my opinion though.

[Lord Frieza]

People nowadays will whine and bitch about anything. Like they're spoiled little brats.
Fans: "I don't want to start right off with another tournament arc, give us another villain before that time."
Toei: "Sure, here's Black Goku!"
Fans: "Noo that's fanfiction blablabla!"

So what!? What if it is fan fiction!? Just enjoy a good story and don't whine about these "so-called" childish rules. There has never been an Evil Goku in CANON material before. So this is a nice change of pace and original. Don't like it? Stay away.

I think people are dissapointed in the lack of creativity. We've never had evil goku in canon, BUT that's such a cliche. How many series do this? We're all probably going to enjoy it,but we could have enjoyed it much more if it was a completely unique villian which is something we haven't seen in super so far. Beerus wasn't really a villian, freeza wasnt new, hit wasnt a villian. I want to see who's going to be the next freeza cell or boo

Hold on a sec. "BUT that's such a cliche. How many series do this?" You say that like is some kind of gigantic sin. The reason its clich is because funnily enough it's one that works more often then not and such character can and have turned out to be one of series's most popular aspects. Spider- man has Venom, Superman has both Bizarro and Cyborg Superman, Batman has Hush and Prometheus, Flash has Reverse Flash, Luffy has Blackbeard, Hulk has Red Hulk so on so forth. Dark versions of heroes charters have always been popular and can be very good characters in their own right. Cliche doesn't mean bad.

Forcing creativity can actually break a series, thats kind of what was wrong with the Buu arc. Sometimes, as odd as it may seem, the best thing is going for a cliche and putting your own spin on it, make it unique in your own way.

I'm not saying Black Goku WILL be good, I'm saying he could be. I just ask that you don't turn your nose up at the idea just because its cliche, give it a chance and see how things go.

[dbzfan7]

The sad fact of the matter is, for a franchise that's been around as long as Dragon Ball has and for it to come back with new material after a long break, said new material is never going to please everyone. People have had far too long for their own ideas to cook in their heads and for them to develop their own ideas of 'THIS is what should happen next!', and far too many are unwilling or unable to let said expectations go, or at least to put them to the side and see what else might be able to be brought to the table.

Granted, again, I'm majorly, majorly quirking an eyebrow at this 'Goku Black' (is it that, or 'Black Goku'? I've seen both getting tossed around) idea myself, but I'm not exactly gonna toss it in the trash bin when we literally know nothing about how it's gonna be executed or how it's going to work in the long run yet.

The margin of error in my post is of course those dead set on what they want. So if someone goes in wanting to hate something, then they may just not be open enough to find somethings to enjoy at the very least. Similar for those who want to go into like, but don't really set up any expectations. This is the very flaw that kills my post entirely. I'm don't really go in wanting to hate something (Except for the F arc. I'm guilty of going in to hating that). I can't agree more that we all have at least played out some idea of expectations or how things could happen during the drought. It's also definitely hard to see what comes off as genuinely great, or just not meeting the idea we all had when only the DB video games could somewhat satiate us.

True enough, and it's something most are guilty of at least once or twice.

Hell, I can't even count how often you and I, for example, have butted heads over this stuff.

Yep. Passion can really bring out a lot of different potential possibilities. I like to think in the end we all still love the material, and want it to not just cater to what we as individuals want, but a multitude of different tastes too.

[Hellspawn28]

3. If Toriyama was going to due a fan story about Evil Goku, why not just use Xicor? Toyotarō is Toyable isn't it and Toriyama joked about using his ideas so why not? Everything else is lining up with AF so they should have just brought in the face of AF and make Xicor Canon.
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Xicor is not Toyotaro's original character. He is a old fan fic character that exist on the web for ages before Toyable's AF in 2007.

[Araki]

I wouldn't think a simple and cliché "evil Goku" would be an exciting idea either, the problem is that we have no idea if that's actually the case and much less how the whole thing is gonna play out. It's fine to dislike it at first but we simply don't have enough information to dismiss it completely.
And the fact Toriyama is admiting the storyline may be getting too confusing intrigues me.

Anyway, for now i'm picturing a character similar to Goku who dons black outfits, not an afro Goku, lol.

[Wezenheim]

Goku Black sounds kinda dumb, it really does. That being said, I think it could work if done well. I'd like it if it actually led to Evil Goku (this is what I'm calling him for now) getting into Goku's head and making him realize that he can be a major asshole sometimes. It could lead to interesting character development maybe? I dunno. Maybe Evil Goku will be played for laughs? I don't know. If this plays out like I usually see it played out in other stories (like fan fiction), then I probably won't like it. There's still at least some potential here though. Just gotta wait for the execution.

[HAIKEN-00]

Because Dragon Ball is a story with many flaws, misconceptions, and cliches within itself that my expectations are low and I'm merely both watching and reading along as time passes for the sake of nostalgia and curiosity on where it would go.

Toriyama has never been a good author, so I don't blame him for these recent ass pulls. Man has to make money somehow. So when as something such as this is announced, it's more like, "Oh, is that what he's planning on doing now? OK, sure."

[Dbzfan94]

Hopefully they'll explain how Trunks showed up in this specific point in history as opposed to literally any other year since he's seen them last. Why not show up at EoZ when his other self is an adult instead?

This is the #1 question I've always had with Trunks. Hopefully, the whole Super Saiyan God prophecy will play into this.

The more I think about it, the whole "Everyone will lose God ki, and memories erased by the end of Z" theory is becoming more and more plausible.

I wouldn't be surprised nor too upset if that happened. Make it much more of an even playing field. Though Goku and a Vegeta would still be #1 and 2 considering I believe they would keep their normal boosts from training, but the gap for me would be sooooo much better.

Instead of Goku/Vegeta being 100 and the rest being 2, it would be more like 50 and 25. Which is much better to me

[Saikyo no Senshi]

I really can't understand what is wrong if people think Black Gokuu sounds like lame fanfiction. Before this reveal the idea of an evil Gokuu was met with harsh criticism with people making fun of those who even thought about Toriyama doing something like this. Now after the reveal people are saying those who say its fanfiction need something to bitch about. Why this change all of a sudden? Is it because Toriyama is writing this?