The deity's role in the Trunks arc

[shadd21]

So according to Toriyama himself the upcoming Trunks arc will quote on quote be "the start of a battle that surpasses time and space, and drags in the God of Destruction, Kaiōshin, even the Omni-King!" and i was wondering, how could something as lame as a "Black Goku" be a threat large enough that the high ups of the Dragon Ball universe would have to get involved?

What do you guys think/hope their roles will be?

[Retan]

Probably to be spectators, like Beerus an Whis in F and make sure theres no real drama to scare the kiddies.

[sintzu]

Probably to be spectators, like Beerus an Whis in F and make sure theres no real drama to scare the kiddies.

Yeah, pretty much.

There's 0 at risk with beings this strong hanging around and making sure everyone plays nice.

The original really knew how to create drama so it's a shame that they're playing everything so safe now.

[Kouga]

Toriyama said that "Many mysteries will be revealed", I think the next arc will explore some aspect of the new mythology introduced in Super, like Omniking, or Whis and Vados for example.

[sintzu]

Toriyama said that "Many mysteries will be revealed", I think the next arc will explore some aspect of the new mythology introduced in Super, like Omniking, or Whis and Vados for example.

When he teased Trunks a few weeks ago he said something about visiting another universe so that might happen as well.

I really hope this arc will be more than 13 episodes, 25-30 would be great especially if there's a lot of material to cover.

[Low Tone G]

What I hope?
To be surprised!

What I expect?
Omni-King to have Goku and Co. to solve the "despair" only to enjoy and Whis & Beerus to let Goku + Vegeta to improve. So they will be suporting characters.

[sintzu]

What I hope to see is Beerus, Whis & the Omne king get looked up or something so that Goku and everyone else won't have someone to hide behind when things don't go their way.

I want to see everyone struggle like they did against King Piccolo, the saiyans, Freeza, the androids & Buu.

[DragonHermit]

I think the whole Tokitobashi thing will come into play since we're talking about time travel. Not the actual move per se, but Tokitobashi might be a move in a family of Time Travel techniques used by Time Travelling Deties. Especially considering the Galactic King knew about this move too, so it's not a Hit-only move.

[Lord Beerus]

Probably to be spectators, like Beerus an Whis in F and make sure theres no real drama to scare the kiddies.

Yep. That's what I'm expecting too.

[Basaku]

I actually expect more than most, something like urhm... all the Deities chippin in to 'straighten-out' the split timelines, or merging them, or establishing some clear rules or something. Or DBO/Heroes/Xenoverse Time Patrol elements. I think "the suggestion from the office" may have been about getting Toriyama to work on the Time Patrol ideas that's been building up into a significant arc of its own for years now and make it more 'canon'. From what we know, Toriyama actually IS the one who started the whole Time Patrol/Time Kaioshin plot themses back in DBO.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

From what we know, Toriyama actually IS the one who started the whole Time Patrol/Time Kaioshin plot themses back in DBO.

No. From what we know, Toriyama designed Time Patrol Trunks after the development team came up with the plot ideas. All we have is information for Toriyama working on designs for 5 years, as well as having to sign off on all the other production materials/concepts/whatever else the development team came up so that they feel like they "fits with his vision of the DB World he created". He could have contributed elsewhere, but there's no source saying that. It's all fan speculation.

[Kanassa]

I think with Whis and Berus, one thing they could do is have the two attempt to help, but then the Omni-King chimes in to say that the two cannot get involved in this for some deity rule reason (Usually in stories like this Deities have some sort of rules that forbid them from helping too much) or is keeping Beerus unreachable to make sure he does his job. Then by the time the threat gets big enough that Beerus is allowed to interfere, it's too late and Beerus can no longer help.

Hell, I'd love it if when Future Trunks comes to get veryone's help, some wibbilty-wobboly, timey wimey stuff goes on and only allows a few of the Z-warriors to go with him without them realising it. Resulting in the more powerful warriors being unable to help.

[dblack]

I think with Whis and Berus, one thing they could do is have the two attempt to help, but then the Omni-King chimes in to say that the two cannot get involved in this for some deity rule reason (Usually in stories like this Deities have some sort of rules that forbid them from helping too much) or is keeping Beerus unreachable to make sure he does his job. Then by the time the threat gets big enough that Beerus is allowed to interfere, it's too late and Beerus can no longer help.

Hell, I'd love it if when Future Trunks comes to get veryone's help, some wibbilty-wobboly, timey wimey stuff goes on and only allows a few of the Z-warriors to go with him without them realising it. Resulting in the more powerful warriors being unable to help.

I agree with your idea. I see Goku/Vegeta getting whooped early in the arc and they convince Beerus to help, but Omni-King appears and says something like "Beerus it isn't your job to prevent destruction." Could see him eventually losing his job as God of destruction because he saves the z fighters. Wouldn't be a bad development for a character they've already teased as being good 100 times.

[kinisking]

People are really speaking about risk? We all know that they'll win in the end anyways, and dragonballs make sure that they don't die.

[shadd21]

Though they'll probably won't be involved with a battles themselves, i'm excited at fact that the Kais, Beerus and the Omni king will be involved with the plot, this along with Toriyama's " A battle the surpassed space and time" statement leads me to believe that the Trunks arc will have a universal(or possible multiverse) threat.

People are really speaking about risk? We all know that they'll win in the end anyways, and dragonballs make sure that they don't die.

I think it has more to do with people wanting a sense of urgency on the level of the Boo arc, something Super hasn't done yet as Beerus wasn't a villain, Freeza wasn't much of a threat(he was only a threat to earth, and Goku and Vegeta could have defeated him easily had they worked together, plus Beerus and Whis were there), and the tournament was just for fun with no stakes evolve.

[DragonHermit]

What if Bra is Trunks' daughter from the future and Trunks dies in this arcs, and Bulma/Vegeta adopt her

[Kanassa]

What if Bra is Trunks' daughter from the future and Trunks dies in this arcs, and Bulma/Vegeta adopt her

That sounds kind of screwed up
That makes me think of Pan... I wonder if Toriyama will open a can of time worms and have a future Pan with Trunks... Nah.

[JoeCapricorn]

As grim as it may be I hope the villain (or a future villain) effortlessly kills Beerus as a show of force. Nothing would demonstrate the severity of power than if that happens. Of course Beerus gets wished back but it probably requires the Super Dragon Balls (but can you imagine that being the favor Champa repays to Beerus?).

There could be many other ways Whis and Beerus are taken out of the picture, temporarily, forcing the heroes to fight as if they weren't there. Especially if a time travel scenario occurs and they go back to Future Trunks' time, which is likely one where Beerus never had his Super Saiyan God premonition.

I also at least hope this upcoming arc is more serious in tone. I think it could be very well done, especially if held to the same standards as the tournament.

I also just remembered, if there is a time skip, Beerus might be back asleep for years at a time. At least I think it's established he still needs to do that.

[Muffin Man]

Probably to be spectators, like Beerus an Whis in F and make sure theres no real drama to scare the kiddies.

Yeah, pretty much.

There's 0 at risk with beings this strong hanging around and making sure everyone plays nice.

The original really knew how to create drama so it's a shame that they're playing everything so safe now.

It's really weird how Toriyama took such a drastic 180 degree turn from how he used to portray deities in Dragon Ball. They used to always be much weaker than the upcoming main villains as a way of adding to the tension by showing how serious the threat is. Kami was weaker than Piccolo Jr., King Kai was weaker than Vegeta and Frieza, and all of the Kaioshins were weaker than Majin Buu.

Now it seems as though deities only exist to reduce tension by being so incredibly overpowered.

[DragonHermit]

I agree, but people weren't complaining much about tension when Goku gave Cell a senzu bean. Main problem I have with Omni King is his design is too dorky. It's not terrible to me, but I wanted a badass king.