Black Goku Backlash!!?
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Isn't he supposed to be tied to Future Trunks in some way? Maybe he's a Goku from a future where Goku never bumped his head as a child and became evil? Just speculating.
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Possible, but wouldn't Trunks just defeat him then? Goku wasn't as strong as a Super Saiyan wen he was a kid.gogeta97 wrote:Isn't he supposed to be tied to Future Trunks in some way? Maybe he's a Goku from a future where Goku never bumped his head as a child and became evil? Just speculating.
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When I heard this, I actually assumed it was in the context of "anti" in the same way they had "Black wargreymon" as the dark opposite to normal wargreymon and the other viral corruptions. In usually the context in old mythology, it meant like a shadow or corruption of the present or former self. Though, If people are outraged over the apparent fear that Goku might resemble a "black person" and rant on that, then that should speak for itself on the type of fans those people clearly are. Goku's original colours by Toriyama gave him brown skin, very dark brown skin in some cases - and Saiyans are supposed to all have black hair and tanned skin in general. I'm not saying Saiyans are black, but there is no reason to just assume Goku is "white", while ignoring the fact that Goku has had dark skin in media before *cough* GT and he was still exactly the same character.
In wider context though, I don't like the idea because an Evil Goku never sounded like an interesting idea taken too literally. Tullece was already was the "black Goku" and though I liked him, he isn't an evil Goku, hes an Evil Saiyan that resembled him from class taking the what-if role. I assume "Black Goku" is probably a possessed & cloned or revived Goku, something similar to the Xenoverse plot. If the white haired Villain is Towa, it just makes sense. (I hope thats not the case though.) I'm fine with a fake Goku being possessed or artificial or a doppelganger but not a literal broly-esc evil Goku like in AF.
In wider context though, I don't like the idea because an Evil Goku never sounded like an interesting idea taken too literally. Tullece was already was the "black Goku" and though I liked him, he isn't an evil Goku, hes an Evil Saiyan that resembled him from class taking the what-if role. I assume "Black Goku" is probably a possessed & cloned or revived Goku, something similar to the Xenoverse plot. If the white haired Villain is Towa, it just makes sense. (I hope thats not the case though.) I'm fine with a fake Goku being possessed or artificial or a doppelganger but not a literal broly-esc evil Goku like in AF.
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A possessed Gokû would make sense. You can create a hierarchy of bad guy opponents that way.
I hope it's not Towa also; "canon" isn't even that big a thing with me, yet somehow I feel like if they start bringing in characters who originated in DBO and Xenoverse that it'll somehow de-legitimize Super in a way...or make it feel more like a cash grab than it is. I actually think I'm more worried about videogame characters showing up (Towa, Mira, Time Kai, Toki Toki, The Time Patrol, Demigra, and Masked Bardock.) than I am about any of the evil Gokû clichés.
I hope it's not Towa also; "canon" isn't even that big a thing with me, yet somehow I feel like if they start bringing in characters who originated in DBO and Xenoverse that it'll somehow de-legitimize Super in a way...or make it feel more like a cash grab than it is. I actually think I'm more worried about videogame characters showing up (Towa, Mira, Time Kai, Toki Toki, The Time Patrol, Demigra, and Masked Bardock.) than I am about any of the evil Gokû clichés.
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I meant Caucasian. In the color covers and stuff like that Goku has tanned skin. But yeah, since in the anime this isn't the case it's a moot point.Protege wrote:Well nobody is trully white either like a paper if you mean? Its just from the manga depiction of Goku's and that he never really had any skin tones to depict that he was tan. He simply had a white skin in black and white ink. While in the anime he had a more caucasian like skin tone.LightBing wrote:You sure left your imagination run wild for the possible worst scenarios.
We still don't know is appearance but like it's been said in other posts, darkness is commonly associated with evil in many cultures and countries. I honestly doubt Toei doesn't have someone who would look at a Black skinned Goku and make the lawsuit/scandal association, immediately pulling the plug on it.
Also, I wouldn't call Goku white, doesn't Mr.Toriyama depict him with noticeable tanned skin?
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Doesn't DB Online and by extension Xenoverse possess many ideas from Mr.Toriyama? Besides, he has incorporated ideas from other sources before; Bardock in the manga and Minus.Chuquita wrote:A possessed Gokû would make sense. You can create a hierarchy of bad guy opponents that way.
I hope it's not Towa also; "canon" isn't even that big a thing with me, yet somehow I feel like if they start bringing in characters who originated in DBO and Xenoverse that it'll somehow de-legitimize Super in a way...or make it feel more like a cash grab than it is. I actually think I'm more worried about videogame characters showing up (Towa, Mira, Time Kai, Toki Toki, The Time Patrol, Demigra, and Masked Bardock.) than I am about any of the evil Gokû clichés.
He certainly wouldn't do it for a cash grab, Toei might. It would all boil down to execution.
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There is a whole lot of assumptions and mental gymnastics going on in the OP for something we know absolutely nothing about.
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It's all fan speculation. All we have is information for Toriyama working on designs for 5 years, as well as having to sign off on all the other production materials/concepts/whatever else the development team came up so that they feel like they "fits with his vision of the DB World he created". He could have contributed elsewhere, but there's no source saying that.LightBing wrote:Doesn't DB Online and by extension Xenoverse possess many ideas from Mr.Toriyama? Besides, he has incorporated ideas from other sources before; Bardock in the manga and Minus.
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He was a good guy, though.Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Dont forget Kamen Rider Black!
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So was Cure Black. The point is that it could be totally non-racially motivated.
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I'm white and if they came out with a White Uub I wouldn't cry over it.
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This is probably the single weirdest post I've ever seen on these forums.Bullza wrote:I'm white and if they came out with a White Uub I wouldn't cry over it.
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Wouldn't it be easier just to wait for all the facts to come out before we make judgement?
I too am really confused by this. Could you elaborate?Cipher wrote:This is probably the single weirdest post I've ever seen on these forums.Bullza wrote:I'm white and if they came out with a White Uub I wouldn't cry over it.
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Well, if we mean black as in african, no, he's not. But he is pretty dark in terms of skin tone.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Uub isn't black.
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No one in DB is African because DB has no Africa.
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Not in the literal sense, but there are characters who are clearly have African features. In the same way that Upa, Namu, Oob, etc. have certain features, as people already mentioned. DB is multicultural, this is a good thing, this should be celebrated.Polyphase Avatron wrote:No one in DB is African because DB has no Africa.
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Multicultural and multi-racial aren't the same thing. It would make sense that any planet has a number of different cultures. Cultures are chosen, race isn't.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Not in the literal sense, but there are characters who are clearly have African features. In the same way that Upa, Namu, Oob, etc. have certain features, as people already mentioned. DB is multicultural, this is a good thing, this should be celebrated.Polyphase Avatron wrote:No one in DB is African because DB has no Africa.
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I'm aware of this, but Uub doesn't even look like DB's closest approximation to "African." He looks Indian/south Asian.Polyphase Avatron wrote:No one in DB is African because DB has no Africa.
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True, but are you disagreeing with me, or is this just a semantic quibble?ABED wrote:Multicultural and multi-racial aren't the same thing. It would make sense that any planet has a number of different cultures. Cultures are chosen, race isn't.Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Not in the literal sense, but there are characters who are clearly have African features. In the same way that Upa, Namu, Oob, etc. have certain features, as people already mentioned. DB is multicultural, this is a good thing, this should be celebrated.Polyphase Avatron wrote:No one in DB is African because DB has no Africa.
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I don't know. Are you celebrating having different cultures or different races?Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:True, but are you disagreeing with me, or is this just a semantic quibble?
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I am hoping Black Goku is just a Dark/Evil Goku and the name would have nothing to do with the color of his skin. If it's turns out to be literally "Da Black Goku", I wouldn't mind that either, specially if this new Goku is from another universe so making him physically opposed to U7 Goku is understandable.
There's still a 0.000003 % chance that Black Goku is just...Xicor with another name.
Oh and one last thing, shouldn't this thread be on Super's board?
There's still a 0.000003 % chance that Black Goku is just...Xicor with another name.
Oh and one last thing, shouldn't this thread be on Super's board?
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