If Hit is stronger than Vados, why didn't he steal the cube?

[Faisal Shourov]

According to Toriyama's old interview, Goku is 6, Beerus 10 and Whis 15. We saw Whis KO Beerus with a neck chop in the Battle of Gods movie, and their power difference is only 5

Goku has trained with Whis after that, and even spent 3 years at Room of Spirit and Time. He should be stronger than 6, but let's just say SSB Goku is still 6

If Goku became 10x as strong with Kaioken, his power would be 60. Hit's ability is strong enough to beat a person with power of 60, since he beat Goku convincingly.

If Vados is around equal to Whis, why didn't Hit just threaten Vados or just beat Vados and Champa to pulp, then run away with the cube? Heck, he should be able to obliterate Beerus, Whis, Vados and Champa at the same time.

[PMD]

I don't agree with anything you just said. There's no prove to say Hit is stronger than Vados.

[Friezacooler]

Another PL level topic I am sure Tori stated he don't care about the source material anymore and he makes up things as he goes along lol. He debunked that 6, 10, 15 PL difference that is proply measured differently then the past source material. Well he ended that PL debate by stating he has no plans for the saiyans too surpass the godly Cats. And the fat cat further reconfirmed this by stating God of destructions power is on a entirely different dimension then the blue kk10 and time skip.

Tori has stated just ignore enjoy and watch. which means be silent and watch lol. This way he can write without caring about past source material.

[Sodhi]

Hit is not stronger than vados, if anything the best he can do is defeat goku kaiokenx10.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Hit can't even handle Champa, so he definitely isn't anywhere near Vados. Goku's nothing to them, either.

I think it's best that you disregard the 6/10 BoG scale, as it only seems to apply to the movies. At that level, you could see how it'd be possible for a Goku and Vegeta with additional training to fight equally with Beers. In Super, Whis's line is omitted altogether. Instead, we have Beers acknowledging their improvement and challenging both of them to a fight, which is declined by Goku because of Beers' superior power.

The difference between Beers and the Super Saiyan Gods in the films and Super are vastly different from one another. That's exactly why I think you can't use the scale for the rankings in Super.

[Faisal Shourov]

Hit is not stronger than vados, if anything the best he can do is defeat goku kaiokenx10.

He should be at least 60, where Vados is no more than 15 or 16. How is he not stronger?

[ParkerAL]

Toriyama is not writing his story with a calculator. For better or worse, he doesn't care about power levels or power level consistency. Toei Animation doesn't care about it either.

Like it or not, it's time for Dragon Ball fans to retire their math books. They won't of any help moving forward.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Whis said he could counter Hit's technique, didn't he?

[Friezacooler]

Hit can't even handle Champa, so he definitely isn't anywhere near Vados. Goku's nothing to them, either.

I think it's best that you disregard the 6/10 BoG scale, as it only seems to apply to the movies. At that level, you could see how it'd be possible for a Goku and Vegeta with additional training to fight equally with Beers. In Super, Whis's line is omitted altogether. Instead, we have Beers acknowledging their improvement and challenging both of them to a fight, which is declined by Goku because of Beers' superior power.

The difference between Beers and the Super Saiyan Gods in the films and Super are vastly different from one another. That's exactly why I think you can't use the scale for the rankings in Super.

LOL Goku seems to be out of character to decline a match vs Beerus even if it is a 2 vs 1 battles specially when Beerus didn't claim to destroy the earth this time and weren't they on the planet of Beerus. PL discussion only serves it's purpose in Namek saga after this everything else is just statements that their next villian is stronger by unknown numbers hard to apply PL on that lol.

[Overlord78]

Not sure why people are using this scale for Super since it applies to the movies in my opinion. Honestly power levels at this point are absolutely meaningless. They meant nothing after Namek, they meant nothing in GT and now they mean nothing in Super because Toriyama/ Toei don't care about them.

The characters are as strong as they need to be. If Piccolo ends up pushing Beerus to 50% of his power then that's how strong he is, if Gohan suddenly ends up getting weaker than before and there is a statement saying he is weaker than Namek Freeza then that's how strong he is.

[Sodhi]

Hit is not stronger than vados, if anything the best he can do is defeat goku kaiokenx10.

He should be at least 60, where Vados is no more than 15 or 16. How is he not stronger?

I watch the show every week thats how I know.

[Volk]

Hit isnt stronger than Vados. There is nothing said inside the show to prove that he is. Aside from the 6/10/15 scale that came out YEARS ago, there is no actual number to describe the PL of any of the characters in Super. Hit went a step further than Blue KK10 Goku, but even then, Beerus/Champa are an entire mile ahead of that! Not to mention that Whis and Vados are practically an entire marathon in front of Beerus/Champa. Therefore, if Beerus/Champa > Goku/Hit/Vegeta, then Whis/Vados > Goku/Hit/Vegeta.

[Grimlock]

People still take the "6, 10 and 15" for real?

[Kuririn Fan]

Hit is not stronger than Vados, he's not even stronger than Champa. That 6-10-15 scale was revealed after BoG came out, and even F movie wasn't planned.

[Overlord78]

People still take the "6, 10 and 15" for real?

Some people do yeah. Although Toriyama could have easily changed his mind on how much stronger Beerus is compared to Goku. I see that scale only working for the movies if it is to be used.

[Slamscape]

You will not find any sense in DBS. There really is no sense to be had.
It has even more contradictions when GT did.
One moment we have rage ssj2 vegeta making Beerus use 10% power, and SSJG goku using even more than that. And now we have gone to a even more highly trained goku with a more efficient SSJG form still being weaker than Beerus with a KKx10.

Nothing you do will make it add up.
Just consider DBS as an alternated time line from all other DB content. No connected to anything, just something to enjoy as simply having more DB content.

As for the subject. Even if you did say Hit as being stronger than Vados, it is doubtful his character would just take the cube. He seems to be someone who honors his deals and his debts.

[Skar]

@Faisal Shourov
Hey where are you from? Faisal is an Arabic name . I'm from Jordan and knew a few Faisal's.

[Blackstripe]

I don't get why people are so attached to the 6/10/15 scale. Maybe for the same reason they're attached to the old Daizenshuu.

[Slamscape]

I don't get why people are so attached to the 6/10/15 scale. Maybe for the same reason they're attached to the old Daizenshuu.

Unlike the guide books. It came straight from Akira during the release of the movies.
And in the movie itself whis states in the end Beerus used 70% power. Which would basically hold true to the same scale.

[ChronoTwigger]

Those values are not KI STRENGHT, the one measured by scouters.
Are a simple measure of "power" in narrative terms. KKx10 doesn't multiply this "comparison" value, and we don't know how much each step broadly translate in ki power.