SPOILER: About an upcoming villain

[Polyphase Avatron]

Guys I'm calling it now Goku Black or whoever is the main villain will be destroyed by the Genki Dama we haven't seen that move since Kid Buu.

I guess they will save that for the very ending. A MULTIVERSAL GENKI DAMA, absorbing the energy of all 12 universe to defeat Dumplin.

FTFY

[bleed0range]

Personally, I think the Earth that Beerus had wished back for Champa contained alternate versions of the main cast including Black Goku and the reason it had originally been destroyed had been because of him. So essentially they brought him back unintentionally.

You might say that doesn't make any sense with time travel and I'll argue that Toriyama isn't going to write a story that makes sense in the timeline so in that regard it does make sense!

Perhaps this version of Goku exists in the alternate timeline future which happens to be the Earth in the other universe. Maybe the other universes exist because of timeline splits. Which rarely happen since time travel is not legal.

So maybe bringing back that Earth that was destroyed brings back black Goku. Maybe originally he destroyed it but Champas actions altered that and Trunks was able to survive long enough to travel back in time and when you go back it returns you to the universe where you originated from.

[Low Tone G]

Personally, I think the Earth that Beerus had wished back for Champa contained alternate versions of the main cast including Black Goku and the reason it had originally been destroyed had been because of him. So essentially they brought him back unintentionally.

You might say that doesn't make any sense with time travel and I'll argue that Toriyama isn't going to write a story that makes sense in the timeline so in that regard it does make sense!

Perhaps this version of Goku exists in the alternate timeline future which happens to be the Earth in the other universe. Maybe the other universes exist because of timeline splits. Which rarely happen since time travel is not legal.

So maybe bringing back that Earth that was destroyed brings back black Goku. Maybe originally he destroyed it but Champas actions altered that and Trunks was able to survive long enough to travel back in time and when you go back it returns you to the universe where you originated from.

So if I'm following you well, Champa's Universe 6 is the future version of Universe 7 being way beyond the time when Trunks killed Cell in his (this Universe 6's) timeline?

[bleed0range]

Personally, I think the Earth that Beerus had wished back for Champa contained alternate versions of the main cast including Black Goku and the reason it had originally been destroyed had been because of him. So essentially they brought him back unintentionally.

You might say that doesn't make any sense with time travel and I'll argue that Toriyama isn't going to write a story that makes sense in the timeline so in that regard it does make sense!

Perhaps this version of Goku exists in the alternate timeline future which happens to be the Earth in the other universe. Maybe the other universes exist because of timeline splits. Which rarely happen since time travel is not legal.

So maybe bringing back that Earth that was destroyed brings back black Goku. Maybe originally he destroyed it but Champas actions altered that and Trunks was able to survive long enough to travel back in time and when you go back it returns you to the universe where you originated from.

So if I'm following you well, Champa's Universe 6 is the future version of Universe 7 being way beyond the time when Trunks killed Cell in his (this Universe 6's) timeline?

Yes! I would expect something that confusing from Toriyama! Haha. I just feel like bringing back the other Earth has something to do with this. It was even still called Earth and it mysteriously was destroyed. I have a feeling the reasons it was destroyed that they explained were inaccurate to what actually happened.

[Low Tone G]

Personally, I think the Earth that Beerus had wished back for Champa contained alternate versions of the main cast including Black Goku and the reason it had originally been destroyed had been because of him. So essentially they brought him back unintentionally.

You might say that doesn't make any sense with time travel and I'll argue that Toriyama isn't going to write a story that makes sense in the timeline so in that regard it does make sense!

Perhaps this version of Goku exists in the alternate timeline future which happens to be the Earth in the other universe. Maybe the other universes exist because of timeline splits. Which rarely happen since time travel is not legal.

So maybe bringing back that Earth that was destroyed brings back black Goku. Maybe originally he destroyed it but Champas actions altered that and Trunks was able to survive long enough to travel back in time and when you go back it returns you to the universe where you originated from.

So if I'm following you well, Champa's Universe 6 is the future version of Universe 7 being way beyond the time when Trunks killed Cell in his (this Universe 6's) timeline?

Yes! I would expect something that confusing from Toriyama! Haha. I just feel like bringing back the other Earth has something to do with this. It was even still called Earth and it mysteriously was destroyed. I have a feeling the reasons it was destroyed that they explained were inaccurate to what actually happened.

To be honest... I hope that's not the case... I'm still sticking with the Dr. Gero's ultimate creation Black Goku theory!

[Hellspawn28]

I still think it's Goku from Trunks timeline that was wish back to life and somehow became evil. Otherwise Future Trunks has no reason to return. I doubt Toriyama will bring him back to be like "Oh hi guys!".

[LightBing]

I still think it's Goku from Trunks timeline that was wish back to life and somehow became evil. Otherwise Future Trunks has no reason to return. I doubt Toriyama will bring him back to be like "Oh hi guys!".

I'm leaning on that theory also. Zombie-like Goku due to Dragon Ball resurrection gone wrong.

[Xeztin]

I still think it's Goku from Trunks timeline that was wish back to life and somehow became evil. Otherwise Future Trunks has no reason to return. I doubt Toriyama will bring him back to be like "Oh hi guys!".

Inb4 someone learned Edo Tensei

[Friezacooler]

I just hope Black Gokuu isnt Gokuu's long lost twin brother or some sort of shit like that.

- Travis

LOL Jean-Claude van Damme at it again haha

[Polyphase Avatron]

Maybe it's Raditz

[Lord Beerus]

Maybe it's Raditz

Oh, you.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It is Goku getting possessed by a powerful demon called Effete from U3.

[Brettjr25]

I still think it's Goku from Trunks timeline that was wish back to life and somehow became evil. Otherwise Future Trunks has no reason to return. I doubt Toriyama will bring him back to be like "Oh hi guys!".

I agree and disagree. I dont think this has anything to do with the dragon balls, the dragon balls wouldve fixed Trunks problems a long time ago.

Everyone seems to looking too hard, using noncanon videogames and comics for ideas but I think theres plenty of actual paths to take. We know theres an afterlife. We know when Goku dies he continued go train among gods to get stronger, hell we know he preferred to stay dead to train. So Gokus death wouldnt of been the end of him. We also know that this arc will cause so much trouble itll invole the god of destruction and even the ruler of everything. So most likely a rogue god gets involved.

I'm sure itll have nothing to do with xenoverse and dbonline.

[Lord Frieza]

Black Goku could also be from an alternate time line created by Trunks. Similer situation to the black star dragon balls, Trunks used the time machine to have the passed and future earth but in doing so he created a greater threat who threatens the multiverse. The price of time travel.

[ChronoTwigger]

Goku is ill, as Sayan with God ki. In the next episodes, they get the Korin water, and as a side effect, the poisoned ki get out and "create" an evil duplicate. That happen to Vegeta too, but on a lesser degree (the Vegeta copy episode).

That Future Trunks can also be OUR future Trunks of THIS timeline.

Bardock and other complex stuff it's too out of the actual series for japanese kids (target audience) to fully understand.

[namekiansaiyan]

Black Goku could also be from an alternate time line created by Trunks. Similer situation to the black star dragon balls, Trunks used the time machine to have the passed and future earth but in doing so he created a greater threat who threatens the multiverse. The price of time travel.

If Black Goku is from a completely different timeline how would trunks know about him.

[Neon Z]

I still think it's Goku from Trunks timeline that was wish back to life and somehow became evil. Otherwise Future Trunks has no reason to return. I doubt Toriyama will bring him back to be like "Oh hi guys!".

If they're going with a resurrected evil Future Goku, I hope it's something like the virus that infected him actually being some powerful Baby-like organism that takes him over and greatly powers him up. It'd add a lot to the random virus from the Cell Saga and would leave space open for Goku Black to have more forms and such.

Goku is ill, as Sayan with God ki. In the next episodes, they get the Korin water, and as a side effect, the poisoned ki get out and "create" an evil duplicate. That happen to Vegeta too, but on a lesser degree (the Vegeta copy episode).

That Future Trunks can also be OUR future Trunks of THIS timeline.

Bardock and other complex stuff it's too out of the actual series for japanese kids (target audience) to fully understand.

The Vegeta copy is an alien copying Vegeta based on the summaries, and the alien is from the planet that Goten and Trunks will visit next week. These episodes likely will have nothing to do with the Goku Black arc.