"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

There is no reason to go to planet Sadal so what is so exciting about it, all we will see is more Saiyans and them just living normally. I would prefer to go to places for a reason, I would rather go to universe 6 earth than planet Sadal anyway.

Can't the same argument be used against your suggestion? They haven't a real reason to visit either! There's nothing wrong with exploring different environments of the Dragon World. As for the excitement factor, we'd just have to see how the writers would handle it.

I mean if we had to choose to go to a random planet I would choose universe 6 Earth to see who is actually there as we know nothing about it whereas we know planet Sadal is full of Saiyans.

u6 earth is just full of humans... at least with saiyans we can see a new culture and environment.

[Bilbo_Swaggins]

I've always speculated, and I'll say that again, it's my speculation, nothing more. Since I think I'm right in this matter, until otherwise, you can adopt it as biblical-dragon ball-law!

The ssj3 transformation is not saved for full-sayians only, rather it is another dimension transformation. Both Goku and Gotenks had 1 thing in common when achieving the transformation: another dimension. Goku being the afterlife, and Gotenks obviously being the Room of Spirit and Time.

It's as simple as that: pecking order!

Long live Omni-Popo! Watch, it's a thing!

I'd mind. That would be stupid. Only a full Saiyan is supposed to be able to do that. The only reason Gotenks can is because two half Saiyans make a whole Saiyan.

Gotenks is not full-blooded Saiyan. Where would would get that from.

[alakazam^]

As far as I know there's nothing saying Super Saiyajin 3 is for pure Saiyajin only (which we see it isn't) and only achieved in special conditions. It's hard to get and hard to maintain, that's what we know.

[sintzu]

As far as I know there's nothing saying Super Saiyajin 3 is for pure Saiyajin only (which we see it isn't) and only achieved in special conditions.

You're right, nothing like that was said in any official product or by anyone who's worked on any part of the franchise.

All that was said is that it's a hard to form to reach and control.

[miguelnuva1]

Ssj4 is the pure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

[Kuririn Fan]

Didn't U6 Earth get revived to be precisely the same as U7 Earth anyhow? If that's the case, there's no point in visiting it.

What? No, it was just brought back, they are 2 different Earths.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ssj4 is the oure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

It was never stated that SS4 is a pure Saiyan-only form. Vegeta-Baby couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 because of the Tsufruian cells mixing with Saiyan cells, but that doesn't mean that the Earthling cells would have the same effect.

[TekTheNinja]

Chill, dudes. No need to be rude. I legitimately thought that it had been officially stated. Gimme a freakin' break...

Ssj4 is the pure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

Except Heroes is basically Fanfiction: The Game.

[Darkprince410]

I'd mind. That would be stupid. Only a full Saiyan is supposed to be able to do that. The only reason Gotenks can is because two half Saiyans make a whole Saiyan.

I'm sorry, could I get a source on that? I don't recall it being said Super Saiyan 3 was exclusive to full-blood Saiyans.

There isn't one. At no point in the manga, anime, or any of the guide books has it been stated or even suggested that Super Saiya-jin 3 is restricted to pure-bloods only. Given that Gotenks is still as much a hybrid as Goten and Trunks were individually, it's proven right within the same story arc that the form first appeared in that hybrids could.

Contrary to what TekTheNinja is saying, two half-blooded Saiya-jin aren't going to result in a full-blooded one. That's just not how that possibly works.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I don't recall SS4 ever being officially stated as a 'pure Saiyan' form either. Even if it (or any other form) was though, it's not like that couldn't easily be retconned as a series or a product coming from it went on. I mean, remember when there was only supposed to be one Super Saiyan every thousand years or so? That changed pretty quickly.

[Alruneia]

Ssj4 is the oure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

It was never stated that SS4 is a pure Saiyan-only form. Vegeta-Baby couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 because of the Tsufruian cells mixing with Saiyan cells, but that doesn't mean that the Earthling cells would have the same effect.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason why Vegeta-Baby didn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 was that the Golden Oozaru had to become "aware" to transform, just like what happened to Goku, but since Baby was in control, not Vegeta, the body wasn't and couldn't become "aware".

[Cetra]

Ssj4 is the oure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

It was never stated that SS4 is a pure Saiyan-only form. Vegeta-Baby couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 because of the Tsufruian cells mixing with Saiyan cells, but that doesn't mean that the Earthling cells would have the same effect.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason why Vegeta-Baby didn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 was that the Golden Oozaru had to become "aware" to transform, just like what happened to Goku, but since Baby was in control, not Vegeta, the body wasn't and couldn't become "aware".

Of course the body was aware. Being aware is a state of an active consciousness (well, we could also discuss now that there are simpler forms but let's leave that aside). Whether it is the consciousness of Vegeta or the consciousness of Baby, one person animates the body and runs around with it. Baby might not have been the original owner of the body but the body hosted both minds nonetheless. Vegeta did point out that it just was because the body was corrupted with the cells of Baby.

[kinisking]

People have an obsession with labeling every form a pure saiyan form. People are even speculating that ssg is which makes no sense because the half saiyans participated in the ritual

[Grimlock]

There is no transformation only to Saiyans. And Dragon Ball Heroes did not change anything with this.

[Rozay]

I would love to see if they bring us up to speed on Future Trunks' timeline, that would be interesting. Like, if he had to fend off Babidi/Majin Buu for himself or something like that. I also would be quite ok with Future Trunks again coming to be around the level of Goku and Vegeta. He was always around their level on the Androids and Cell's arc, plus, being presumably Earth's only protector during his timeline, that gives him a storyline reason to keep himself pretty sharp.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Ssj4 is the oure saiyan only form and heroes changed that.

It was never stated that SS4 is a pure Saiyan-only form. Vegeta-Baby couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 because of the Tsufruian cells mixing with Saiyan cells, but that doesn't mean that the Earthling cells would have the same effect.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason why Vegeta-Baby didn't turn into a Super Saiyan 4 was that the Golden Oozaru had to become "aware" to transform, just like what happened to Goku, but since Baby was in control, not Vegeta, the body wasn't and couldn't become "aware".

I can't check at the moment, but I don't recall such a thing in the original Japanese version. Maybe what you recall was a dub line?

[Alruneia]

I can't check at the moment, but I don't recall such a thing in the original Japanese version. Maybe what you recall was a dub line?

I'm probably recalling some kind of headcanon I've read somewhere, then. The Dragon Ball fandom is pretty good with giving out that kind of "information".

[Sonicjamareiz]

"Future" Trunks doesn't even makes any sense its not even the present time's future anymore. The "Future" Trunks from the Cell arc before he went back the first time shouldn't even exist anymore. It's also not even a alternate time line anymore its an alternate dimension. Unless this "Future" Trunks is the future of the current kid Trunks then it would make a little more sense now.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

I can't check at the moment, but I don't recall such a thing in the original Japanese version. Maybe what you recall was a dub line?

I'm probably recalling some kind of headcanon I've read somewhere, then. The Dragon Ball fandom is pretty good with giving out that kind of "information".

I think that, if not stated out right is at the very least implied. Vegeta said something about how he wasn't a pure saiyan because he was infected when he talked to bulma about going ssj4. Baby was the clear culprite in this. No baby means vegeta would go ssj4. He' need help like goku did with pan seeing as he's been without using the form so much he cant control ape form but yeah, baby's the problem.

[Nejishiki]

"Future" Trunks doesn't even makes any sense its not even the present time's future anymore. The "Future" Trunks from the Cell arc before he went back the first time shouldn't even exist anymore. It's also not even a alternate time line anymore its an alternate dimension. Unless this "Future" Trunks is the future of the current kid Trunks then it would make a little more sense now.

Time travel in Dragon Ball creates new realities so Future Trunks can't unexist no matter what he does, short of dying.