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[Pieter]

The flashback in the Bardock Special also has green sky. I'm wondering how it could have changed like that though. Only frame-by frame remastering would be able to change the color so much like that.

Not really, playing with the RGB balance would yield such a change.

-Corey

Sure it would, but for the entire picture, and not the sky only.

[Mystery Person X]

Photoshop has a handy "replace colour" feature:



I'm sure this could easily have been applied to the entire fight.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Maybe FUNimation went even further back and got the original Japanese cels and repainted them! ...Joking of course.

[MajinVejitaXV]

The flashback in the Bardock Special also has green sky. I'm wondering how it could have changed like that though. Only frame-by frame remastering would be able to change the color so much like that.

Not really, playing with the RGB balance would yield such a change.

-Corey

Sure it would, but for the entire picture, and not the sky only.

It did change the entire picture. Look at Kuririn's fleshtone, the color of Vejita's armor and so on.

-Corey

[DBW]

Here's some R2 shots from the Nappa fight and the new location. Someone can do comparisons on these if they want.

Episode 25 - 17:00min


Episode 26 - 16:50min


Episode 28 - 21:41min


Episode 30 - 5:25min (new location)

[Rocketman]

it should blend into a greenish dusk sky, not a brilliant blue mid-day sky.

The dusk sky isn't green...

[DBW]

it should blend into a greenish dusk sky, not a brilliant blue mid-day sky.

The dusk sky isn't green...

This is also animation we're talking about here. Using a green gives the same effect without using deep blues. Using a deep navy blue for an entire background generally is not desirable in animation, especially with a traditional painted background.

[SatoSky]

Ooh... pretty.

[Rocketman]

it should blend into a greenish dusk sky, not a brilliant blue mid-day sky.

The dusk sky isn't green...

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This is also animation we're talking about here. Using a green gives the same effect without using deep blues. Using a deep navy blue for an entire background generally is not desirable in animation, especially with a traditional painted background.

Fair enough.

I must say, I've never seen such a green dusk sky, though.

[Gokuden553]

The flashback in the Bardock Special also has green sky. I'm wondering how it could have changed like that though. Only frame-by frame remastering would be able to change the color so much like that.

The same flashback in DBGT episode "The heard of the prince" also had the green sky in Vegeta's flashback.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

The same flashback in DBGT episode "The heard of the prince" also had the green sky in Vegeta's flashback

Yea, your right. Its a totally different color.

[ect5150]

Well.. these are two totally different colors. Somthing went wrong somewhere...

Yeah, but I'm betting FUNIs masters are just like that. In other words, its beyond their control. If they did it there, why wouldn't they do it elsewhere when the same scenes popped up throughout the series.

And as for the photoshop idea, if they were to do something like that by hand, then they would have taken out the noticeable dirt in the same passes. In other words, they aren't doing ANYTHING that is a 'painstaking' process.

[Acid_Reign]

Does anyone find the grain on the R2 discs a little distracting? I know it's left in as a result of not tampering with the originals, which is a Good Thing, but was it completely unavoidable? Couldn't it have been removed without tampering with the original colors/sharpness? When I watch animé even older than DBZ (like say, Akira) I don't see any of the same stuff. What's to blame here? Poor storage? Different mediums?

And for some reason, the colors look a lot duller than they should. Am I just too used to FUNi's?

[ect5150]

Does anyone find the grain on the R2 discs a little distracting? I know it's left in as a result of not tampering with the originals, which is a Good Thing, but was it completely unavoidable? Couldn't it have been removed without tampering with the original colors/sharpness? When I watch animé even older than DBZ (like say, Akira) I don't see any of the same stuff. What's to blame here? Poor storage? Different mediums?

And for some reason, the colors look a lot duller than they should. Am I just too used to FUNi's?

The film grain is noticeable, that's for certain. As for the colors, I think you're too used to FUNIs alterations. As the eps are older, it is more apparent, but on the movies and the end of the series, I don't think its as noticeable.

Case in point (and someone can post a FUNI shot if they wish).

Dragon Box Vegetto

[Pieter]

Does anyone find the grain on the R2 discs a little distracting? I know it's left in as a result of not tampering with the originals, which is a Good Thing, but was it completely unavoidable? Couldn't it have been removed without tampering with the original colors/sharpness? When I watch animé even older than DBZ (like say, Akira) I don't see any of the same stuff. What's to blame here? Poor storage? Different mediums?

Yes it is, but it's real easy to watch the episodes with an anti-grain filter combined with a sharpening feature using a program like ffdshow, and if you want them for television you can use these features to make your own bootlegs, which will look a hundred times better than "Season 1". The fun thing is you can decide for yourself whereas with season 1 you can't unfilter anything.

By the way, does someone know for what color temperature the dragonbox releases are made? I read that in Japan the standard for color temperature is much higher than here in europe (6500k) or the usa.

[Mystery Person X]

Does anyone find the grain on the R2 discs a little distracting? I know it's left in as a result of not tampering with the originals, which is a Good Thing, but was it completely unavoidable? Couldn't it have been removed without tampering with the original colors/sharpness? When I watch animé even older than DBZ (like say, Akira) I don't see any of the same stuff. What's to blame here? Poor storage? Different mediums?

DBZ was shot on 16mm film, which is always very grainy. The grain has been a part of the show all along.

Akira is a theatrical movie. I'd have assumed it was shot on 35mm film, but according to IMDB it was shot on 65mm film. In any case, both of these are much less grainy than 16mm (though grain is an inherent part of the film medium). I don't have Akira on DVD to see how much grain there actually is, but it might also be that the grain was removed/reduced as part of the very expensive restoration process that the movie underwent for its DVD release. You can't expect that kind of thing for a 291-episode TV series.

[ssgOverlord]

Here are some comparisons, not down to the second, though.










And for the heck of it:


I'll do any more shots to compare, if anybody wants me to.

[JAPPO]

Honestly, Steve Franko (or whatever his name) has said he tried to get the colors as well as he could to what the "artist intended them to be".

He didn't say anything about original film colors.

[Pieter]

Here's a comparison shot I quickly put together:


Did I do something wrong or does Season 1 lose image on every side?

Honestly, Steve Franko (or whatever his name) has said he tried to get the colors as well as he could to what the "artist intended them to be".

He didn't say anything about original film colors.

I'm glad you trust him. Too bad he doesn't speak Japanese and has no idea what their intentions were.

[JAPPO]

Honestly, Steve Franko (or whatever his name) has said he tried to get the colors as well as he could to what the "artist intended them to be".

He didn't say anything about original film colors.

I'm glad you trust him. Too bad he doesn't speak Japanese and has no idea what their intentions were.

What???

Where did I say I trusted him? I don't like him at all.