Black Goku Backlash!!?

[Kuririn Fan]

C'mon, man, Goku was always a protagonist , but in DB & DBZ other characters had their moments, fights and opportunity to be helpful. In GT it's just Goku, Goku, GOKU. And Oob has a lot of potential, you not liking him doesn't change that fact. That was the whole purpose of the ending.

[ABED]

C'mon, man, Goku was always a protagonist , but in DB & DBZ other characters had their moments, fights and opportunity to be helpful. In GT it's just Goku, Goku, GOKU. And Oob has a lot of potential, you not liking him doesn't change that fact. That was the whole purpose of the ending.

It's Batman, Batman, BATMAN. He's the main character. Sure, it doesn't change that fact, nor does it change that there were other characters we do care about. In Z a number of characters have their moments, but 1 - It's often because Goku is put out of action far too often, and 2 - Their moments don't amount to much.

The ending of Z is awful. I get its purpose, but it's a terrible ending. We're supposed to be happy for Goku, but him going off with this dumb little kid we just met and leaving everyone he cares about is awful. Uub has physical potential, but not a lot of story potential at least none that couldn't have meant more with characters the audience knows and cares about.

[Kuririn Fan]

C'mon, man, Goku was always a protagonist , but in DB & DBZ other characters had their moments, fights and opportunity to be helpful. In GT it's just Goku, Goku, GOKU. And Oob has a lot of potential, you not liking him doesn't change that fact. That was the whole purpose of the ending.

It's Batman, Batman, BATMAN. He's the main character. Sure, it doesn't change that fact, nor does it change that there were other characters we do care about. In Z a number of characters have their moments, but 1 - It's often because Goku is put out of action far too often, and 2 - Their moments don't amount to much.

The ending of Z is awful. I get its purpose, but it's a terrible ending. We're supposed to be happy for Goku, but him going off with this dumb little kid we just met and leaving everyone he cares about is awful. Uub has physical potential, but not a lot of story potential at least none that couldn't have meant more with characters the audience knows and cares about.

Oob had great potential and GT ofc wasted it, you not liking the ending doesnt change that fact.

Ok, lets go through the db & dbz story real quick.
first arc - the whole team matters, Oolong saves the day
21st TB - tournament, all fighters matter and fight, Goku loses final match
RRA - Goku needed this arc so he can grow as a character, but still Hachan helped him, that mouse in the cave (<3), Arale, 2 Babas fighters werent defeated by Goku, etc.
22nd TB - tournament, all fighters matter and fight, Goku loses final match
Daimao - Tenshinhan saves Goku at a very important moment
23rd TB - torunament, all fighters matter and fight, Goku wins but he needed that win
Saiyan - best example of teamwork
Freeza - Kuririn, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, Bulma, Popo, Kaio all had their roles
Cell - Gohan and Vegeta
Boo - Satan, Boo, Vegeta
All these arcs had all kinds of different characters fighting and doing stuff, not just Goku.

[ABED]

Freeza - Kuririn, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, Bulma, Popo, Kaio all had their roles

Kuririn and Gohan's job was mainly to gather the Dragon Balls, but the rest of it was about buying time until Goku arrived. Dragon Ball isn't an ensemble show, it's Goku's story. I'm fine with other characters getting something important to do, much like in a sitcom where the secondary characters matter, but the story still revolves around the main character.

RRA - Goku needed this arc so he can grow as a character, but still Hachan helped him, that mouse in the cave (<3), Arale, 2 Babas fighters werent defeated by Goku, etc.

That's your argument that everything wasn't about Goku? Hachan and the cavemouse? Baba's fighters weren't defeated by Goku because it was a tournament, and he took out three of them by himself. Tournaments don't count by virtue of Goku not being in every match so of course other characters are going to have their moments.

In GT Trunks and Pan have their moments. Pan is the one that helps Goku regain his rationality and turn Super Saiyan 4. It's Trunks and Giru's plan that helps stop Dr. Myuu and discover his endgame. It was Pan who helped Goku destroy Luud.

And regarding Uub, I'm not talking about his physical strength, he's just a waste of a character. He is introduced at the last possible minute as someone who's supposed to matter for no good reason. What about the characters we do care about? Why push them aside so Uub can matter? I see no potential stories with him that couldn't better be served with other characters we already knew. While Pan may have been introduced around the same time, it's different by virtue of her being related to Goku so there's a built in emotional investment.

Anyway, back on topic, I'm sure that since Americans are becoming overly sensitive, Black Goku will likely change to Dark Goku if Super ever comes over to America.

[Tsufuru]

Its only racist if you create and think of it in a racist way.

If toriyama thought, now i want a black character but ofcourse he will loose becouse hes evil than its in no way racist.
He already made non black villians and it was normal.
You actualy make racism more relevant if you out of nowhere talk about it if a black person shows up in movies and series.
With the exception of characters based of stereotypes and all that shit and even than every race is stereotyped in movies.

I cant comprehend how some1 shoves his own stupid way of thinking into some1 else's idea.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I still don't know what they appeal and hype of an "Evil Goku" is to so many people. What is the real difference? Do people just want to see Goku murder people? Most of the AF ideas were pretty bad to say the least, and I hope this isn't a Xicor-connected thing the most. Black Goku would need some real good significance to not feel like a pander the way Golden Freeza did. God I hope Toriyama actually gives validity to this.

[Chuquita]

Depends on his backstory. The one I currently subscribe to until canon tells me otherwise is this "Gokû Black" is more a "tragic, fallen into despair" Gokû who's become hardened and lost after traveling one too many parallel timelines in search of a way restore his Earth and bring his friends back because in his home timeline Universe 7 lost the Beerus vs Champa tournament and having lost Earth to Champa, Beerus rampage-destroys Gokû's Earth beyond repair and everyone except for Gokû dies in the battle. Gokû is now alone on a desolate Earth and living off whatever canned goods he can find. After a while a mysterious force arrives and bestows on Gokû the ability to travel across parallel timelines, but warns him that finding one he's looking for will be incredibly difficult (infinite parallel universes with all kinds of wildly different histories) - this mysterious force is actually after an active set of super dragon balls, but doesn't tell Gokû that. Anyways Gokû starts traveling, and after hundreds and thousands of failures he starts losing hope and himself and becomes warped by the thought that this mysterious force tricked him and that he might never find another parallel timeline with his friends and family or the dragon balls and it's this Gokû eventually shows up in Future Trunks' parallel timeline.

That's the "Gokû Black" I'm hoping for.


I'm less interested in the traditional "possessed" route along with the "Dr. Gero creation" route or the "Kakarrotto" route. I'd take both those two over the "It's actually Bardock" route though. I've had enough Bardock overload between videogames, the 2nd Bardock special, and Minus to last me a long time.


I don't really count Tullece from Movie 3 as an "Evil Gokû"; he looks like Gokû, but he's got nothing in common personality-wise. I'd compare Tullece's personality to a more "Raditz, but smarter." type.

[Kuririn Fan]

And regarding Uub, I'm not talking about his physical strength, he's just a waste of a character. He is introduced at the last possible minute as someone who's supposed to matter for no good reason. What about the characters we do care about? Why push them aside so Uub can matter? I see no potential stories with him that couldn't better be served with other characters we already knew. While Pan may have been introduced around the same time, it's different by virtue of her being related to Goku so there's a built in emotional investment.

I know youre not talking about his strength, but the fact remains, he had potential and Goku Time ruined it. But this is all off topic.
I think Black Goku is just and evil Goku, and that sucks, but we dont know nothing about him, so well see.

[ABED]

And regarding Uub, I'm not talking about his physical strength, he's just a waste of a character. He is introduced at the last possible minute as someone who's supposed to matter for no good reason. What about the characters we do care about? Why push them aside so Uub can matter? I see no potential stories with him that couldn't better be served with other characters we already knew. While Pan may have been introduced around the same time, it's different by virtue of her being related to Goku so there's a built in emotional investment.

I know youre not talking about his strength, but the fact remains, he had potential and Goku Time ruined it. But this is all off topic.
I think Black Goku is just and evil Goku, and that sucks, but we dont know nothing about him, so well see.

Again, it's Goku's story. So because Goku takes focus as he should, Uub's "potential" is unfulfilled? If so, thank god, because I don't care for him when there's a bench full of other more interesting characters.

Maybe Black Goku is from the Darkest Timeline.

[Kuririn Fan]

I don't wanna talk about it anymore, man. To me, GT is Goku Time and overall terrible and boring show, disgrace to Dragon Ball. The end

[TekTheNinja]

I don't wanna talk about it anymore, man. To me, GT is Goku Time and overall terrible and boring show, disgrace to Dragon Ball. The end

You misspelled Super.


...Kidding. I agree with you completely, but I think Super took those same problems and cranked them up to 100.

[ABED]

Boring, fine, but not because that obnoxious term you are latching onto. Uub wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the quality of the series. The show's biggest problem is the execution of it's fights.

[tomwew]

I honestly hope it's an evil Goku that just has black skin. Who has black skin for no reason other than it distinguishes him from normal Goku. Remember Japan isn't under the thumb of political correctness as much as the west is.
The amount of publicity the show would get from the new wave of race baiting, P.C, joyless sods, who'd use the word 'problematic' unironically would be great for the show.

sure it might get censored in the west, but that'll just create a sub culture of dedicated fans seeking out the full, uncensored Dragon ball experience. Just like the good old days.

[Kuririn Fan]

Boring, fine, but not because that obnoxious term you are latching onto. Uub wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the quality of the series. The show's biggest problem is the execution of it's fights.

Well, to you because of that, to me because of reasons i mentioned.

[ABED]

You mentioned it was boring and it was always about Goku, but why is it boring? Even if the other characters play a part, you still have the huge problem of really badly staged fights.

[Kuririn Fan]

You mentioned it was boring and it was always about Goku, but why is it boring? Even if the other characters play a part, you still have the huge problem of really badly staged fights.

I said overall boring and terrible show, that includes the fights that Dragon Ball is known for.

[ABED]

You mentioned it was boring and it was always about Goku, but why is it boring? Even if the other characters play a part, you still have the huge problem of really badly staged fights.

I said overall boring and terrible show, that includes the fights that Dragon Ball is known for.

You aren't saying very much, you've just used another adjective.

I know I'm in the minority, but I like the show. It's funny, there are fun characters and it's like spending time with old friends. The problem is the execution of the fights bogs down most of the better elements of the show. While I haven't seen Super, from what I hear, that's a similar problem. I know it was certainly an issue with the last two DBZ movies - the fights weren't very good. Fortunately there was some humor to make up for it. Too bad the fights were so bad in Resurrection 'F'.

[TheMikado]

I don't wanna talk about it anymore, man. To me, GT is Goku Time and overall terrible and boring show, disgrace to Dragon Ball. The end

You misspelled Super.


...Kidding. I agree with you completely, but I think Super took those same problems and cranked them up to 100.

Yeah exactly. I don't hate Super, but I generally don't like it for various reasons. My problem is that when someone praises Super and dumps on GT, it usually for the things that Super is doing literally 10x (Kaioken reference worse.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Yeah exactly. I don't hate Super, but I generally don't like it for various reasons. My problem is that when someone praises Super and dumps on GT, it usually for the things that Super is doing literally 10x (Kaioken reference worse.

Does everything have to revolve around fan made up power levels?

[Kuririn Fan]

You mentioned it was boring and it was always about Goku, but why is it boring? Even if the other characters play a part, you still have the huge problem of really badly staged fights.

I said overall boring and terrible show, that includes the fights that Dragon Ball is known for.

You aren't saying very much, you've just used another adjective.

I know I'm in the minority, but I like the show. It's funny, there are fun characters and it's like spending time with old friends. The problem is the execution of the fights bogs down most of the better elements of the show. While I haven't seen Super, from what I hear, that's a similar problem. I know it was certainly an issue with the last two DBZ movies - the fights weren't very good. Fortunately there was some humor to make up for it. Too bad the fights were so bad in Resurrection 'F'.

I fucked up, i wanted to say overall in bold letters.
And RoF had amazing fights.