What if the humans used the gravity room?

[Kuririn Fan]

That scene was filler and Yamcha sucks anyway.

[Pantalones]

Every time this topic comes up, I say this, and every time I get blasted for it.

Earthlings just aren't built for stronger gravity. Having the destructive output to level planets doesn't matter when your heart can't pump blood through your body.

...that'd be because every time, it's still wrong.

I mean yeah, I see where you get the idea from, or at least part of it -- the Saiyans (and Pui Pui's species) have the "we grew up on a 10x gravity planet" thing, so you figure they're just naturally built for high gravity. That's probably the case... to some extent (not that much of one, though, as we see Goku struggle with same-as-Planet-Vegeta 10x gravity at first -- it seems the Saiyans need to actually live in 10x gravity to truly get used to it, just like everybody else, and the natural gravity resistance is probably just enough so they can survive it as babies.)

The problem is that you take that thought and run with it and do a triple backflip off a cliff, ending up at "Saiyans are naturally built for high gravity, therefore nobody else is and only Saiyans can handle gravity training, period, ever."

Except... this logic falls apart entirely when you consider the Namekians' situation. Namek didn't have high gravity. Bulma didn't have any difficulty walking around on Namek and she certainly wouldn't have any resistance to higher-than-Earth-level gravity. Piccolo trains in 10x gravity both during his time on the North Kaio's planet and in the training for the Cell Games. Why would Namekians (or even just their warriors) randomly be built to handle higher gravity when their planet doesn't have higher gravity?

And by the same logic used to arrive at "humans can't ever handle 10x because they live on a 1x world," wouldn't the Saiyans be unable to go very far above 10x since that's what their planet had? Saying the humans can't ever use gravity training because their planet only had normal gravity is like saying that Vegeta couldn't have possibly taken it up to 150x because his species was only built for 10x... yet we know he went that far (and beyond!) from what the series actually shows us.

There's also the fact that the humans themselves actually have trained in 10x gravity while on the North Kaio's planet. Yes, they were dead at the time, but they had their bodies (Kami even had to rebuild Chiaotzu's for him due to the whole exploding thing) and still experienced the effects of gravity. It's silly to assume that those effects would be drastically different while alive when absolutely nothing in the series suggests that such a thing is the case. No comments from Goku about how his gravity chamber's 10x while alive is harder to handle than Kaio's 10x was when he was dead, for example. Heck, does he even start with 10x or does he go "well, I already know I can handle 10x so let's crank it up even higher right away" during that trip? I can't remember for sure.

The "humans live on a lower-gravity world so their bodies just can't ever handle high gravity no matter how many gazillions of times stronger than Farmer-With-Shotgun they become" logic just makes no sense in the context of what we actually see in the series. You can argue that humans can't handle as much gravity as Saiyans -- like say, Yamcha couldn't ever train in 400x without hurting himself, or something -- but to say they can't use gravity training at all is a bit absurd.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I suspect that these types of harsh training environments and straining techniques like the Kaio-Ken are just too much for the Earthlings to handle. It's less about power level and more about having naturally tougher bodies that can take more punishment. Earthlings are just too frail compared to Saiyans or warrior-type Namekians, and can't put up with these things for any worthwhile amounts of time.

Every time this topic comes up, I say this, and every time I get blasted for it.

Earthlings just aren't built for stronger gravity. Having the destructive output to level planets doesn't matter when your heart can't pump blood through your body.

If the Earthlings can't train in a gravity room, the Kami of Earth that built the Room of Spirit and Time must be a really big asshole. "I'm gonna create a training room where anyone from this planet will die when they try to train inside!"

And if that was true, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu should have been erased from existence after they arrived on Kaio's Planet.

[Kaboom]

Obviously the scale of what "normal" Earthlings can handle is different in Dragon Ball than in real life, but I was talking more about the really high gravity levels. Like the 100Gs Goku used on his way to Namek or the 300Gs that Vegeta used. Obviously the Earthlings can handle 10Gs on Kaio's planet and the like, and I could see them managing to work with up to 30Gs or something like that. But the insane levels that the Saiyans end up using is probably just permanently beyond their reach.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The Saiyans have only displayed more durable skin, which is why bullets couldn't hurt Goku, but they hurt off-guard Kuririn & Kame-sennin in gag scenes. Earthlings aren't supposed to tank bullets, yet look at Bora. Earthlings aren't supposed to land deadly hits with their tongues, yet look at Taopaipai.

There is nothing in the series suggesting that the Earthlings wouldn't have been able to withstand 100-300G if they are strong enough, so I see no reason to believe so.

[DanielSSJ]

I think as long as they work their way up to it gradually, they'd be able to handle the same gravity as the Saiyans. They definitely wouldn't master 100Gs in a week, though. Power-wise, they'd get pretty strong, but they'd probably never reach the same levels as even the base Saiyans.

[manwolf]

If the limit of the gravity are in the body of the characters, something that is a bit illogical because ki is not only a body thing, then the humans can only train the gravity of the saiyans divided by ten, something that make no sense, first cause the humans train with a gravity ten times the earth gravity with the same strength of goku so his body can endure the same things and also cause the gravity room go more that 100 time the earth gravity, so it is make sense that the humans go up to 10 times the earth gravity.

So the only explanations can bo or a plot point caused by the author or that the humans train with the gravity room and even then they are weaker that the saiyans.

This make sense, with the sem training, Goku goes only up to 9000, based on the strength of Krillin of 75000, the humans even with gravity train can probably be between hundred of thousand or a few millions of strength, even when we count with Kaioken they are weaker that a much weaker that a supersaiyan, more that one trained.

[Raditz]

They should have teached the Kaioken to the humans. And maybe they could have perfected it so they could use it at more levels without the body strain. That way humans could have been more useful...

That scene was filler and Yamcha sucks anyway.

That's what he want us to think. Actually, he is the strongest character (he accidentally said it in Super), but he need to hide it so the others don't lose their will to train. He is actually a saiyan in mystic form all the time.
He faked all his deaths, he is such a good actor.