What SS form should have been the last transformation?

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What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Bansho64 » Sun May 15, 2016 7:30 pm

We've gotten atleast 7 forms for the Saiyans in the last couple of decades. The forms have ranged from just a change in hair color to bulky muscles and lightening auras. Of all the ones we've gotten, which one do you think should have been that last?

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Post by MozillaVulpix » Sun May 15, 2016 7:54 pm

In all honesty, it probably shouldn't have gone past one.

MAYBE you can say Super Saiyan 2 is OK if you only treat it as "Gohan's hidden power".

I mean, I know why it happened, but it doesn't make the story any better.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun May 15, 2016 7:56 pm

SSJ2 Gohan. And I don't mean SSJ2. I mean Gohan's transformation in the Cell Games before the Buu saga made SSJ2 a thing.

SSJ3 is insanely cool, but incredibly unnecessary in the grand scheme of things. SSJ4 made sense, but pushed everything too far. SSJG was the lamest transformation ever, and had absolutely nothing to do with established saiyan lore. SSJB has taken us to parody levels.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Xeztin » Sun May 15, 2016 8:12 pm

I think Goku's last should have been the first and the only one to surpass the first should have been Gohan though he shouldn't have got Super Saiyan 2 in the Cell arc. If Gohan kept his SSJ2 style hair but it was a different color like white to distinguish it from the first SSJ form that would have been fine. They could have coined it as Super Saiyan White or some name without a number because if you got a "2" people at least expect a "3" for trilogy's sake and Gohan's new form could only be attained by those with both Saiyan and Human blood surpassing his father which was the idea in the first place. I would have ended it there with Gohan and thrown in the "Human blood" needed catch so that it would bar off Goku/Vegeta or any other Saiyan from ever obtaining it.

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by lancerman » Sun May 15, 2016 8:56 pm

Pretty much the same as most people said. It should be Super Saiyan, then maybe if you want to use Gohan's transformation in the Cell Games as a special Hidden Power form unique to him.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Sun May 15, 2016 9:18 pm

Should have stopped at 4 as it truly felt like the pinnacle of saiyan metamorphosis. I'd also settle for stopping at SSJ God. Blue should never have been a thing. SSJ God was more unique, and was tossed aside for no good reason. Though really I'd throw away god for SSJ4 if I could.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sun May 15, 2016 11:40 pm

I would have said SSJG, if we're allowed to ignore GT and skip SSJ4. If not, then SSJ3.
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Post by FoolsGil » Mon May 16, 2016 12:44 am

I would have been fine with Super Saiyan Blue being the last transformation, if the only previous transformations was SSJ and Saiyan God.

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Post by Wizard Sesame » Mon May 16, 2016 1:49 am

SSJ, SSJ2- but only Gohan's hidden power, and then SSJ4 if you needed an extra transformation. I like the concept of SSJ4 and it makes sense to have a different line of transformations that combine oozaru and super saiyan, but outside of that, only the main one should have existed.

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Zephyr » Mon May 16, 2016 1:58 am

A lot of them have served great purposes. Super Saiyan 1 was the culmination of a legend. Super Saiyan 2 was Gohan taking his long foreshadowed role as #1. Super Saiyan 3 was self referential irony. Super Saiyan 4 combined the two dimensions of Saiyan transformation. Super Saiyan Blue signifies perfect ki control.

So I'm not sure what the last one should have been. I wouldn't have minded if 1 was the only one. On the other hand, so long as a decent number of new ones continue to incorporate some new milestone, I'm fine with there not really being a "last one".

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon May 16, 2016 2:49 am

I to am fine with more SSJ forms. However that pertains only to SSJ4 and by that I mean if we ever did see a SSJ5, 6, etc, that they would essentially follow the purpose of SSJ2 and 3 and simply be powered up variants of SSJ4.

But with SSGSS, I want it to be the end of the line. Toriyama said SSJ2 and 3 will likely not be used again but I dont want him or the people at Toei to do a 180 and suddenly bust out something like SSGSS2 or SSGSS3. Goku has Base and SSJ for standard threats and SSGSS for threats such as Hit and possibly Beerus and Champa. Its short, simple, and effective so we dont need anything going further on that front.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 16, 2016 4:38 pm

SSJ3 should have definitely been the final Super Saiyan transformation, because it was last transformation that could be achieved organically.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon May 16, 2016 4:49 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I to am fine with more SSJ forms. However that pertains only to SSJ4 and by that I mean if we ever did see a SSJ5, 6, etc, that they would essentially follow the purpose of SSJ2 and 3 and simply be powered up variants of SSJ4.

But with SSGSS, I want it to be the end of the line. Toriyama said SSJ2 and 3 will likely not be used again but I dont want him or the people at Toei to do a 180 and suddenly bust out something like SSGSS2 or SSGSS3. Goku has Base and SSJ for standard threats and SSGSS for threats such as Hit and possibly Beerus and Champa. Its short, simple, and effective so we dont need anything going further on that front.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Xeztin » Mon May 16, 2016 5:30 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I to am fine with more SSJ forms. However that pertains only to SSJ4 and by that I mean if we ever did see a SSJ5, 6, etc, that they would essentially follow the purpose of SSJ2 and 3 and simply be powered up variants of SSJ4.

But with SSGSS, I want it to be the end of the line. Toriyama said SSJ2 and 3 will likely not be used again but I dont want him or the people at Toei to do a 180 and suddenly bust out something like SSGSS2 or SSGSS3. Goku has Base and SSJ for standard threats and SSGSS for threats such as Hit and possibly Beerus and Champa. Its short, simple, and effective so we dont need anything going further on that front.
I think they used the Kaio-ken SSJB in place of an actual transformation. To me that said were going to get some new transformation or technique form every arc.

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by UltimateHammerBro » Mon May 16, 2016 6:19 pm

As much as it hurts to say this, I think SS1 should have been the one and only Super Saiyan transformation.
Even Gohan's scene could have been more or less preserved, only that he would be turning SS1 for the first time, instead of SS2.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Ozotto » Mon May 16, 2016 6:57 pm

I feel like Super Saiyan 4 didn't even follow the evolution of Super Saiyan 1-3 transformations.
It's more of an evolution of the Great Ape transformations, like an Oozaru human mode.

Woulda been cool if SS4 dropped the fur and tail, kept the hair style, but made it gold.
Would give the feel of a more refined and controlled power of SS3.

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Cetra » Mon May 16, 2016 7:03 pm

Ozotto wrote:I feel like Super Saiyan 4 didn't even follow the evolution of Super Saiyan 1-3 transformations.
It's more of an evolution of the Great Ape transformations, like an Oozaru human mode.

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by TheMikado » Tue May 17, 2016 12:43 pm

I think SSJ2 was fine as I consider it more of an "ascended" or perfected form of SSJ rather than a unique form and SSJ1 was more of an introductory level to the same form. SSJ3 was unnecessary.

SSJ4 is great and the "Full Power" SSJ4 feels like SSJ4 x SSJ2 which like I said should have been the final stage.
Besides SSJ4 is basically a question people would always ask if it didn't exist. What happens when a SSJ goes Oozaru?

SSG was fine for a one-time fun deal. SSGSS is the worst and actually made worse by combining it with Kaioken x 10 all of a sudden after all these years. The only thing worse would be a SSB4 or SSB3....

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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Tue May 17, 2016 3:25 pm

Ozotto wrote:I feel like Super Saiyan 4 didn't even follow the evolution of Super Saiyan 1-3 transformations.
It's more of an evolution of the Great Ape transformations, like an Oozaru human mode.

Woulda been cool if SS4 dropped the fur and tail, kept the hair style, but made it gold.
Would give the feel of a more refined and controlled power of SS3.
SSJ4 would've been a great place to stop the series/transformations. SSJ4 was done perfectly IMO. We've had enough golden transformations, and I think SSJ4 was something new and original.
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Re: What SS form should have been the last transformation?

Post by Vijay » Tue May 17, 2016 3:59 pm

I'd pick either SSJ3 or SSJ4

SSJ3 gives off ultimate, saikyoo Supa Saiyajin vibe with deadly villainious look especially with lack of brow & wild, aggressive long hair. It gives a very demonic presence, true to Saiyan's vintage nature

As for SSJ4, it feels very raw & organic. Only thing is the annoying tail & pink fur. Swap the color with gold & I'm fine. More than being last, I consider SSJ4 to be the treshold of "SSJ oversaturation" that SSJ Goddo/Goat, Bluper Saiyan became. Lol

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