Can Goku beat Beerus now?

[Lord Beerus]

Of course, Goku can solo Whis+Vados at the same time as well

Goku = 60
Whis = 15
Vados = 15

Goku = 2x (Whis + vados)

Hit might be able to fight Zeno too

Considering Hit was shitting his pants when Champa said he was going to destroy him, I think it's highly implied that Hit is very much below Champa, and by virtue, he and Goku and much below Whis and Vados.

[Faisal Shourov]

Considering Hit was shitting his pants when Champa said he was going to destroy him, I think it's highly implied that Hit is very much below Champa, and by virtue, he and Goku and much below Whis and Vados.

Hit was tired by then, full powered Hit could've one shot 4 Whis at the same time. 60 = 15 x 4

[Lord Beerus]

Considering Hit was shitting his pants when Champa said he was going to destroy him, I think it's highly implied that Hit is very much below Champa, and by virtue, he and Goku and much below Whis and Vados.

Hit was tired by then, full powered Hit could've one shot 4 Whis at the same time. 60 = 15 x 4

What evidence do you have from the anime or the manga do you have to support that claim?

[Ssgvegito30]

Considering Hit was shitting his pants when Champa said he was going to destroy him, I think it's highly implied that Hit is very much below Champa, and by virtue, he and Goku and much below Whis and Vados.

Hit was tired by then, full powered Hit could've one shot 4 Whis at the same time. 60 = 15 x 4

Man stop fooling yourself hit is not stronger than beers, champa, whis and Vados the Manga or the anime never implied that he's stronger than them unless you have evidence to back that claim let's hear it...

[Polyphase Avatron]

Whis wasn't worried about Hit's technique at all. Beerus asked him if he knew how to counter it and he said he did but wanted Goku to figure it out by himself. Since Whis said he wasn't aware of other time manipulators before seeing Hit, that means he figured out Hit's technique and how to counter it just by observing it, before Goku did. Whis would have destroyed Hit if they were to fight.

[Cetra]

Considering Hit was shitting his pants when Champa said he was going to destroy him, I think it's highly implied that Hit is very much below Champa, and by virtue, he and Goku and much below Whis and Vados.

Hit was tired by then, full powered Hit could've one shot 4 Whis at the same time. 60 = 15 x 4

You apparently do not get that that scale is not necessarily directly proportional and probably does not even count anymore.

[Lupin879]

For me no he can't

[TheMikado]

I see this turned into a power level thread.

The most telling sign for me is when Whis says that together Vegeta and Goku could probably beat Beerus.
This is BEFORE 3 years in the RoSaT and Goku going SSB X KK X10.

People are saying Goku needs to be less than 11% Beerus as SSB but I don't see how that's possible given the above.

Basically the writers screwed up. I doubt KK X 10 X SSB was supposed to be thing, if it was then it's poor writing.
SSB X KK would be enough to put Goku just over Beerus but would have also possible kill him and that would have been plenty.

Basically the way its written. Goku CANT be weaker than Beerus, but VERY small change of removing the " X 10" would have made all this mess go away and made more sense.

[Pannaliciour]

Hmm Beerus was nervous when Goku used Kaio ken times 2 (the moment Goku blitzes Hit) and this was BEFORE Goku was using Kaio Ken times 10. Than he used Kaio Ken times 10 but Beerus didn't comment anymore. Beerus beeing nervous at times 2, and people claiming that Goku isn't near Beerus power by using Times 10 is bullshit.

Btw I can't recall Whis saying both Goku and Vegeta have a chance against Beerus in Super.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Basically the writers screwed up.

Or the fan is overthinking what he/she shouldn't be doing in the first place.

[TheMikado]

Basically the writers screwed up.

Or the fan is overthinking what he/she shouldn't be doing in the first place.

Or when you look at just forum alone and 1/3 of your audience interprets it's one way, one third another way and the reminder have given up trying then maybe somethings not right especially when that wasn't your intention.

[julianix]

I've never cared about numbers or power levels. Well maybe I did early on when they were important and comparable.

As far as I'm concerned the common sense eye test tells me if Goku, frieza and Hit can improve that much in months/minutes. Then Beerus which spends years sleeping can get mad and improve as well. But this is db, Pan could turn into ssj purple for all we know..it's a crap shoot

[Faisal Shourov]

Whis wasn't worried about Hit's technique at all. Beerus asked him if he knew how to counter it and he said he did but wanted Goku to figure it out by himself. Since Whis said he wasn't aware of other time manipulators before seeing Hit, that means he figured out Hit's technique and how to counter it just by observing it, before Goku did. Whis would have destroyed Hit if they were to fight.

Hit > 60

Whis = 15

How does Whis destroy Hit? Hit stomps both Whis and Vados at the same time

[Lupin879]

Yes , but even if he stops the time what on earth can he do whis ? That is, if a man stops time he will not have the strength then to break down a wall to punch

[Sonicjamareiz]

Oh god please don't ruin Hit for me

[Sodhi]

Hit is just a pawn in the game. See what I did there.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Hit > 60

Whis = 15

How does Whis destroy Hit? Hit stomps both Whis and Vados at the same time

Simple, the 6>10>15 scale is no longer valid.

[Polyphase Avatron]

There's also the possibility that SSJB <<<<<<<<<< SSJG, instead of greater like everyone assumes.

[Kuririn Fan]

There's also the possibility that SSJB <<<<<<<<<< SSJG, instead of greater like everyone assumes.

Oh man, here we go again...

[sintzu]

How can't he beat Beerus at this point? am i missing something ?

Yes, you're using facts and established information for your argument which is something Super doesn't do.

Beerus is stronger because the writers want him to be. that's all there is to it.