Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Hopefully this and the next episode give us something new to talk about.

Apparently the Copy Water multipliers a beings power hundreds of times over and it just took over Base Vegeta so he should be very powerful. From the preview for the next episode it looks like he gets the upper hand over Base Gotenks and he has to turn into a SSJ3 at some point. SSJ3 Gotenks might even lose seeing as how Goku shows up.

[ZombieVito]

If copy Vegeta beats SSJ3 Gotenks then I guess that confirms base Goku/Vegeta really are over SSJ3 tier.

[Bullza]

I was just about to edit my comment to say that if Copy Water Vegeta fights both SSJ3 Gotenks and Base Goku then it should give some idea of how they stack up.

Though Base Goku shouldn't be any match for Copy Water Vegeta so I expect him to transform, but then even Super Saiyan shouldn't be enough either.

[TheMikado]

I'll wait to see how this all plays out but shouldn't Gotenks be in SSJ3 Goku territory which base Vegeta/Goku are already at. Hundreds of times more powerful than whatever they are currently seems ridiculously high and how is Gotenks even in that territory without God Ki?

[VegetaSSJBlue]

If copy Vegeta beats SSJ3 Gotenks then I guess that confirms base Goku/Vegeta really are over SSJ3 tier.

Super:
BoG SS1 Goku = SSG Goku
Base: 1/50 SSG = Boo Gohan

BoG Film:
Base Goku: SSG

[RandomGuy96]

Hopefully this and the next episode give us something new to talk about.

Apparently the Copy Water multipliers a beings power hundreds of times over and it just took over Base Vegeta so he should be very powerful. From the preview for the next episode it looks like he gets the upper hand over Base Gotenks and he has to turn into a SSJ3 at some point. SSJ3 Gotenks might even lose seeing as how Goku shows up.

I haven't been following the series since the Hit fight so I'm a bit confused. This base Vegeta that's fighting Gotenks is hundreds of times stronger than the regular base Vegeta? How is base Goku supposed to fight him then?

[Hugo Boss]

Hopefully this and the next episode give us something new to talk about.

Apparently the Copy Water multipliers a beings power hundreds of times over and it just took over Base Vegeta so he should be very powerful. From the preview for the next episode it looks like he gets the upper hand over Base Gotenks and he has to turn into a SSJ3 at some point. SSJ3 Gotenks might even lose seeing as how Goku shows up.

I haven't been following the series since the Hit fight so I'm a bit confused. This base Vegeta that's fighting Gotenks is hundreds of times stronger than the regular base Vegeta?

No. It's said in the episode this item multiplies one's battle power by hundreds, but actually what it does is "swallow one up". I assume this Copy-Vegeta is as strong as the original.

[Khin]

If copy Vegeta beats SSJ3 Gotenks then I guess that confirms base Goku/Vegeta really are over SSJ3 tier.

Yeah. Next episode will give us some answers. I assume Gotenks will get his ass kicked by Copy-Vegeta, then Goku arrives and fights him (Episode summaries that was leaked weeks ago seems to indicate that Goku will fight Copy-Vegeta alone).

I'll wait to see how this all plays out but shouldn't Gotenks be in SSJ3 Goku territory which base Vegeta/Goku are already at. Hundreds of times more powerful than whatever they are currently seems ridiculously high and how is Gotenks even in that territory without God Ki?

If you go with the notion of SS3 Goku < SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post], then SS3 Gotenks can be over 400x stronger than SS3 Goku. Though Hugo Boss cleared this little misunderstanding of Copy-Vegeta being hundreds of times stronger than regular Base Vegeta.

[ssbgoku]

I'll wait to see how this all plays out but shouldn't Gotenks be in SSJ3 Goku territory which base Vegeta/Goku are already at. Hundreds of times more powerful than whatever they are currently seems ridiculously high and how is Gotenks even in that territory without God Ki?

If you go with the notion of SS3 Goku < SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post], then SS3 Gotenks can be over 400x stronger than SS3 Goku. Though Hugo Boss cleared this little misunderstanding of Copy-Vegeta being hundreds of times stronger than regular Base Vegeta.

Finally we may get some base to see where exactly base goku/vegeta is at. Also about this notion of comparision between ss3 goku and gotenks, well I believe it was truth before bog I guess.

SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post] <= bog ss3 goku < SS Gotenks [Post] <= u6 Base goku/vegeta < SS2 Gotenks [Post] < SS3 Gotenks [Post]

This way I would have only base goku/vegeta 8 times weaker then ss3 gotenks and assuming that gotenks didn't drop in power even a bit due to slacking off.
This way goku from bog to universe 6 would need to get at least 50 times stronger and maybe even more. At the most I see goku and vegeta in range of ss3 gotenks.

[Hugo Boss]

I think Gotenks will stall for time until Goku arrives or he uses SS3 along with Goku to overpower Copy-Vegeta. Goku vs. Copy-Vegeta seems to be the main fight, though.

[Bullza]

So Copy Vegeta is just as strong as Vegeta? What happened to the hundreds of times thing?

[Hugo Boss]

So Copy Vegeta is just as strong as Vegeta? What happened to the hundreds of times thing?

The Soteejin was mistaken about Choujinsui's true properties. Actually, it resembles Majin Boo's absorption technique, but it spits out Vegeta after draining his energy.

[Bullza]

The Soteejin being the alien race and the Choujisui being the water?

Copy Vegeta just being as strong as Vegeta would be for the best, that way we don't have to speculate about how many hundreds of times stronger he's supposed to be.

It looks like Copy Vegeta is going to be stronger than SSJ1 Gotenks if he feels the need to turn SSJ3 and with him staring down Goku it looks like even that might not be enough.

This could really clear up a lot of things. If Copy Vegeta = Vegeta and he beats SSJ3 Gotenks and then in the Tournament they had to transform to fight Frost, Magetta and Cabba then the speculation that they're only Buu tier should end.

[Saturnine]

I'll wait to see how this all plays out but shouldn't Gotenks be in SSJ3 Goku territory which base Vegeta/Goku are already at. Hundreds of times more powerful than whatever they are currently seems ridiculously high and how is Gotenks even in that territory without God Ki?

If you go with the notion of SS3 Goku < SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post], then SS3 Gotenks can be over 400x stronger than SS3 Goku. Though Hugo Boss cleared this little misunderstanding of Copy-Vegeta being hundreds of times stronger than regular Base Vegeta.

Finally we may get some base to see where exactly base goku/vegeta is at. Also about this notion of comparision between ss3 goku and gotenks, well I believe it was truth before bog I guess.

SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post] <= bog ss3 goku < SS Gotenks [Post] <= u6 Base goku/vegeta < SS2 Gotenks [Post] < SS3 Gotenks [Post]

This way I would have only base goku/vegeta 8 times weaker then ss3 gotenks and assuming that gotenks didn't drop in power even a bit due to slacking off.
This way goku from bog to universe 6 would need to get at least 50 times stronger and maybe even more. At the most I see goku and vegeta in range of ss3 gotenks.

You're putting beyond God Goku/Vegeta below Mythical Gohan... come on

[ZombieVito]

The Soteejin being the alien race and the Choujisui being the water?

Copy Vegeta just being as strong as Vegeta would be for the best, that way we don't have to speculate about how many hundreds of times stronger he's supposed to be.

It looks like Copy Vegeta is going to be stronger than SSJ1 Gotenks if he feels the need to turn SSJ3 and with him staring down Goku it looks like even that might not be enough.

This could really clear up a lot of things. If Copy Vegeta = Vegeta and he beats SSJ3 Gotenks and then in the Tournament they had to transform to fight Frost, Magetta and Cabba then the speculation that they're only Buu tier should end.

Watch them say that copy Vegeta is stronger than normal Vegeta.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Hopefully this and the next episode give us something new to talk about.

Apparently the Copy Water multipliers a beings power hundreds of times over and it just took over Base Vegeta so he should be very powerful. From the preview for the next episode it looks like he gets the upper hand over Base Gotenks and he has to turn into a SSJ3 at some point. SSJ3 Gotenks might even lose seeing as how Goku shows up.

I saw this twice, and looked like Vegeta's power was absorbed much like Majin Buu's technique. I doubt he was stronger than Base Vegeta before Vegeta arrived, that'd be impossible. Even hundreds of times multiplication wouldn't bring a weak character very high. We may not know much about these new characters but assume they are between 1k to 10k in power level initially, they could only be low millions after unlocking whatever they unlocked. So they have to absorb others to really make a difference here. At least that's just my theory. As Vegeta stated, all of his power was gone after being spit out from the gooey substance.

[ssbgoku]

If you go with the notion of SS3 Goku < SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post], then SS3 Gotenks can be over 400x stronger than SS3 Goku. Though Hugo Boss cleared this little misunderstanding of Copy-Vegeta being hundreds of times stronger than regular Base Vegeta.

Finally we may get some base to see where exactly base goku/vegeta is at. Also about this notion of comparision between ss3 goku and gotenks, well I believe it was truth before bog I guess.

SS Gotenks [Pre] < Base Gotenks [Post] <= bog ss3 goku < SS Gotenks [Post] <= u6 Base goku/vegeta < SS2 Gotenks [Post] < SS3 Gotenks [Post]

This way I would have only base goku/vegeta 8 times weaker then ss3 gotenks and assuming that gotenks didn't drop in power even a bit due to slacking off.
This way goku from bog to universe 6 would need to get at least 50 times stronger and maybe even more. At the most I see goku and vegeta in range of ss3 gotenks.

You're putting beyond God Goku/Vegeta below Mythical Gohan... come on

Take it easy man, for now it is only my estimation based on short trailer I saw. I need to see full episode to express my opinion about it ;p.
Until next episode at least I am sticking with Ultimate gohan from buu arc being the strongest gohan ever so he had been loosing power until train from scratch.
Hopefully only base vegeta's power was copied and not any power above so we could get good base to see where base sayians are. Also I would prefer to see ss3 gotenks putting up fight against this vegeta instead of goku appearing as it hints copy vegeta will try to acces at least ssj and possibly even ssb which is rehashing move ;/

[Noah]

There is no way Base (God) Goku/Vegeta are above SSJ3 Gotenks! This is insane! They cannot be that powerful! Not even Base GT Goku was in that peak of power! I can buy them being above a Super Saiyan 3, but not a Fused SSJ3 for god's sake.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There is no way Base (God) Goku/Vegeta are above SSJ3 Gotenks! This is insane! They cannot be that powerful! Not even Base GT Goku was in that peak of power! I can buy them being above a Super Saiyan 3, but not a Fused SSJ3 for god's sake.

They have the power of Super Saiyan God (even if they are not as strong as SSG in Super). I don't see what's wrong with it.

[Speedster]

There is no way Base (God) Goku/Vegeta are above SSJ3 Gotenks! This is insane! They cannot be that powerful! Not even Base GT Goku was in that peak of power! I can buy them being above a Super Saiyan 3, but not a Fused SSJ3 for god's sake.

In the manga it may be a subject of a high spirited debate but in the anime continuity SSJ3 Goku>SSJ3 Gotenks. See SSJ3 Goku vs Buutenks (Super Buu+SSJ3 Gotenks), the statement that kid Buu is the strongest of all the forms of Buu and that in DBS ep.2 Goku was considered by Vegeta to be the strongest Saiyan (hence above Mystic Gohan who is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks).