Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Like exactly 21 years, May 23rd 1995.

Okay, we get it but One Piece is still more popular than DB. Stop whiteknighting Dragon Ball every time someone points out that something else is more popular than it. One Piece is the best selling manga and most popular manga and possibly anime worldwide, it's been proven already.

[Kuririn Fan]

Like exactly 21 years, May 23rd 1995.

Okay, we get it but One Piece is still more popular than DB. Stop whiteknighting Dragon Ball every time someone points out that something else is more popular than it. One Piece is the best selling manga and most popular manga and possibly anime worldwide, it's been proven already.

It's more popular in Japan, but Dragon Ball is more popular worldwide.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Like exactly 21 years, May 23rd 1995.

Okay, we get it but One Piece is still more popular than DB. Stop whiteknighting Dragon Ball every time someone points out that something else is more popular than it. One Piece is the best selling manga and most popular manga and possibly anime worldwide, it's been proven already.

It's more popular in Japan, but Dragon Ball is more popular worldwide.

Not really, ever look up actual sales numbers? One Piece is the more popular one so please stop saying that Dragon Ball is when it's really not.

Also, the 4Kids dub is the main reason why One Piece isn't as popular as it could be in the US. Anime is a bigger medium than Manga in the US so obviously people would be more interested in the One Piece anime and there were tons of companies trying to grab the license to it in the early 2000s when Toei was looking for people to license and dub the series in the US but for some reason none of the companies were able to snatch up the license and then a year or so later, Toei included it in a package deal with another show that they were licensing to 4Kids at the time basically saying "You can do this show but you also have to do this one". So the show that could've ended up getting really popular over here couldn't get a licensor because of how stubborn Toei was and it just ended up being put on a random company's shoulders who didn't dub shows like that because they weren't for their target audience and because they weren't the type of shows that they would usually license. So in turn, several cuts took place to the story and visuals, several script changes were made and it just made it look like a show for little kids when it really wasn't. It's unfortunate but that just goes to show you that Toei wanted nothing more than to make some money off the property in the US and didn't care about how it was presented which is funny because despite signing off on a lot of things about the dub, they were reportedly upset with how it was being treated by 4Kids and by the fact that it wasn't as popular as Naruto over here. I mean, they even asked Viz at one point why it wasn't as big as Naruto and Viz basically just said "Take a look at how it's being treated" which opened Toei's eyes to how 4Kids was treating it and that combined with the fact that it was causing 4Kids to lose a lot of revenue because of it's negative reception from fans and non fans which also affected their other anime (along with their loss of Pokémon at the time) caused 4Kids to drop the license (and to stop doing anime that wasn't Yu Gi Oh for a long time) and cancel production of their dub through negotiations with Toei who took the license back and gave it to FUNi. It's a sad tale but I'm happy now that we have a phenomenal dub from FUNi and that we're able to watch new episodes legally every week along with new manga chapters.

[Kuririn Fan]

I'm not reading that, Dragon Ball is more popular and recognised worldwide. You're on a Dragon Ball forum.

[Fraxiel]

Also, the 4Kids dub is the main reason why One Piece isn't as popular as it could be in the US. Anime is a bigger medium than Manga in the US so obviously people would be more interested in the One Piece anime and there were tons of companies trying to grab the license to it in the early 2000s when Toei was looking for people to license and dub the series in the US but for some reason none of the companies were able to snatch up the license and then a year or so later, Toei included it in a package deal with another show that they were licensing to 4Kids at the time basically saying "You can do this show but you also have to do this one". So the show that could've ended up getting really popular over here couldn't get a licensor because of how stubborn Toei was and it just ended up being put on a random company's shoulders who didn't dub shows like that because they weren't for their target audience and because they weren't the type of shows that they would usually license. So in turn, several cuts took place to the story and visuals, several script changes were made and it just made it look like a show for little kids when it really wasn't. It's unfortunate but that just goes to show you that Toei wanted nothing more than to make some money off the property in the US and didn't care about how it was presented which is funny because despite signing off on a lot of things about the dub, they were reportedly upset with how it was being treated by 4Kids and by the fact that it wasn't as popular as Naruto over here. I mean, they even asked Viz at one point why it wasn't as big as Naruto and Viz basically just said "Take a look at how it's being treated" which opened Toei's eyes to how 4Kids was treating it and that combined with the fact that it was causing 4Kids to lose a lot of revenue because of it's negative reception from fans and non fans which also affected their other anime (along with their loss of Pokémon at the time) caused 4Kids to drop the license (and to stop doing anime that wasn't Yu Gi Oh for a long time) and cancel production of their dub through negotiations with Toei who took the license back and gave it to FUNi. It's a sad tale but I'm happy now that we have a phenomenal dub from FUNi and that we're able to watch new episodes legally every week along with new manga chapters.

I remember you from somewhere.. OH yes, you're the guy that said he's going to to leave this "Dragon ball forum" and stop posting on it :/.
But seriously you are on a Dragon ball forum why are you even bothering of defending one piece with a place filled with fans of another show. I don't go to the World of warcraft forums and say LEAGUE OF LEGENDS IS MORE POPULAR THAN WOW blah blah blah. This entire argument is stupid, I commented to show you what you are doing and its going to get you no where, Don't expect people that love this show so much and watch it weekly to just admit another Rival show is better its just not way it goes Hopefully you'll get what I'm saying here and by no means am I trying to be a douche Cya!

[alakazam^]

Like exactly 21 years, May 23rd 1995.

Okay, we get it but One Piece is still more popular than DB. Stop whiteknighting Dragon Ball every time someone points out that something else is more popular than it. One Piece is the best selling manga and most popular manga and possibly anime worldwide, it's been proven already.

Why are you telling him to "stop whiteknighting" Dragon Ball when you're doing the same to One Piece? Weren't you the one that previously said to let people have their opinion? Except that only applies when calling Toriyama lazy

[Bullza]

Whoever thinks One Piece is actually more popular than Dragon Ball Z worldwide needs to get off whatever they're smoking.

Battle of Gods and then Resurrection F more so were released in countries all over the world. One Piece Strong World and Film Z were released in a bunch of Asian countries. The upcoming Film Gold will not get the same release that Resurrection F did.

DBZ has had video games released all over the world for over a decade now. One Piece video games have only really started to gain momentum in the past few years, they don't even dub them and they certainly don't sell as well.

There's really no comparison.

[emi_b7]

Here in Argentina DB is WAY more popular than OP. I don't think I know anybody who has watched a single episode or anybody who recognizes a character by name. There probably is a fanbase, I just don't know anybody.
On the other hand, everybody knows DB, even grandmas have heard about Goku. You also find merchandize everywhere, it is mostly not official stuff though. In fact, you can find Dragon Ball AF toys easier than One Piece toys
Saint Seiya, Captain Tsubasa, Pokemon, Digimon, Naruto and many others are also more popular.
I can't tell you for sure but I would guess it is similar in other South American countries.
So, if OP isn't more popular than DB in the US, Latin America or Europe I don't know how can you say it is more popular worldwide.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

And there you all go, misunderstanding what I said. One Piece is more popular worldwide. Bye

[Kuririn Fan]

And there you all go, misunderstanding what I said. One Piece is more popular worldwide. Bye

No, it's not. Bye.

[Ajay]

Can we stop acting like children and actually have conversations, please?

There is quantifiable evidence that demonstrates the two series' popularity both domestically and internationally. Surely you can just use that to put this to rest?

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Can we stop acting like children and actually have conversations, please?

There is quantifiable evidence that demonstrates the two series' popularity both domestically and internationally. Surely you can just use that to put this to rest?

Kind of hard to do that when people don't look at your post and just assume it's something else and when people are impolite to you when you weren't trying to be hostile or malicious.

[Bullza]

Well you said this

One Piece is more popular worldwide. Bye

And that's untrue. Evidence points to that not being true.

[Konig]

Here in Argentina DB is WAY more popular than OP. I don't think I know anybody who has watched a single episode or anybody who recognizes a character by name. There probably is a fanbase, I just don't know anybody.
On the other hand, everybody knows DB, even grandmas have heard about Goku. You also find merchandize everywhere, it is mostly not official stuff though. In fact, you can find Dragon Ball AF toys easier than One Piece toys
Saint Seiya, Captain Tsubasa, Pokemon, Digimon, Naruto and many others are also more popular.
I can't tell you for sure but I would guess it is similar in other South American countries.
So, if OP isn't more popular than DB in the US, Latin America or Europe I don't know how can you say it is more popular worldwide.

The same applies to brazilian audiences. Although I know a few people who watch One Piece, it does not have a fanbase nearly as big as those anime you cited, as well as many others (Yu-Gi-Oh, Yu Yu Hakusho and so on). One Piece failed in America (continent), and the same probably occurred in Europe.

It's absurd to say that OP is more successful than DB worldwide.

[Soppa Saia People]

I'm not reading that, Dragon Ball is more popular and recognised worldwide. You're on a Dragon Ball forum.

You're also on a forum, and there's no need to be so dismissive.

And there you all go, misunderstanding what I said. One Piece is more popular worldwide. Bye

Toodles

[Sora Saiyan]

Talking about OP being more popular than DB worldwide is a bit absurd, and ignoring DB, Naruto is more popular in foreign countries (outside Japan), as noted by Oda himself.

[HeroR]

Talking about OP being more popular than DB worldwide is a bit absurd, and ignoring DB, Naruto is more popular in foreign countries (outside Japan), as noted by Oda himself.

As an One Piece fan, that is crazy. One Piece has a decent internal market, but it's nowhere near Dragon Ball or even Naruto, or even Bleach to a lesser extent. In Japan, however, One Piece is basically anime god, which makes up for its mediocre international performance.

I also never bought into, One Piece not being poplar in the west because of 4Kids. There have been many anime who had questionable and censors dubs that did very well here. The first being the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z and the Dic's Sailor Moon (although the voice work in these dubs were great in my opinion, just the lines they spoke were often lame and cheesy). A not so good dub is general better than no dub at all, and I should know because I got somewhat interested in One Piece by looking at the 4Kids dub.

One Piece is not that popular in the west for a number of reasons that is completely off-topic. The point is that Dragon Ball has more worldwide appeal while One Piece doesn't.

[Soppa Saia People]

Talking about OP being more popular than DB worldwide is a bit absurd, and ignoring DB, Naruto is more popular in foreign countries (outside Japan), as noted by Oda himself.

As an One Piece fan, that is crazy. One Piece has a decent internal market, but it's nowhere near Dragon Ball or even Naruto, or even Bleach to a lesser extent. In Japan, however, One Piece is basically anime god, which makes up for its mediocre international performance.

I also never bought into, One Piece not being poplar in the west because of 4Kids. There have been many anime who had questionable and censors dubs that did very well here. The first being the Ocean dub of Dragon Ball Z

Tbf the OP 4Kids dub is notorious for being awful, the DBZ "dub" isn't extremely well know for being a bad dub.

[DragonHermit]

A problem with One Piece is that it's very long and hard to get into it if you haven't followed it from the beginning. I liked it from episode 1, and even binge watched 40 episodes/day on some weekend days to catch up. With DBZ most people didn't even watch DB, and just jumped right in. I don't think the backstory is as necessary to DBZ as it is to OP. In DBZ most arcs can work alone.

With One Piece you can jump into Dressrosa for example, but if you haven't watched the backstories of the Straw Hats from East Blue, you can't know the strength of the characters' resolve. A lot of the plot also ties in to what happened early on.

[Kuririn Fan]

I'm not reading that, Dragon Ball is more popular and recognised worldwide. You're on a Dragon Ball forum.

You're also on a forum, and there's no need to be so dismissive.

Who are you to tell me what to do?
And we're on a Dragon Ball forum. If someone says that other anime is more popular worlwide and that's not true, i'll say that.