Fan Works Explosion

[KentalSSJ6]

[Lord Beerus]

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Spoiler:

I wouldn't mind a whole episode dedicated to them in DBSuper.

[Dbzfan94]

Spoiler:

I wouldn't mind a whole episode dedicated to them in DBSuper.

I agree. We've had a few Son family episodes and plenty of VegeBul episodes. Show Krillin some love lol

[Lord Beerus]

Spoiler:

I wouldn't mind a whole episode dedicated to them in DBSuper.

I agree. We've had a few Son family episodes and plenty of VegeBul episodes. Show Krillin some love lol

And throwing in 17/Lapis and his family wouldn't hurt either.

[Esfír Dedragón]

I'm not a fan of posting risque art, but I thought this is relatively tame.



https://twitter.com/nagigola/status/475 ... 28/photo/1

Vegeta's reaction is priceless.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

I'm not a fan of posting risque art, but I thought this is relatively tame.

Spoiler:

https://twitter.com/nagigola/status/475 ... 28/photo/1

Vegeta's reaction is priceless.

Why would Vegeta feel embarrassed?

[Dbzfan94]

I'm not a fan of posting risque art, but I thought this is relatively tame.

Spoiler:

https://twitter.com/nagigola/status/475 ... 28/photo/1

Vegeta's reaction is priceless.

Why would Vegeta feel embarrassed?

I think because everyone else gets to see Bulma in that bikini too? Idk

[Artwork.Eskobar]

I say "Hey Kanzenshuu Community" !

Finnaly i found a great Dragonball Forum.

Who am i:
I live in Swizerland and try to write in english language, this is not very easy for me. (but i try)

In my Leisure, i draw very much. Very much Dragonball Drawings
Earlier I draw on Paper, but now i draw wit my digital Tablat. Ist a "Wacom Cintiq 13HD"

I like to show you my Drawings:

















If you want to see how I draw the Pictures, for that i have made some Videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC20I6a ... xRObv8gq5g

Lot of fun while looking...

Best regards
Artwork.Eskobar

[TheBalishChannel]

I say "Hey Kanzenshuu Community" !

Finnaly i found a great Dragonball Forum.

Who am i:
I live in Swizerland and try to write in english language, this is not very easy for me. (but i try)

In my Leisure, i draw very much. Very much Dragonball Drawings
Earlier I draw on Paper, but now i draw wit my digital Tablat. Ist a "Wacom Cintiq 13HD"

Spoiler:

I like to show you my Drawings:

















If you want to see how I draw the Pictures, for that i have made some Videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC20I6a ... xRObv8gq5g

Lot of fun while looking...

Best regards
Artwork.Eskobar

LEFT = Original
RIGHT = Eskobar






I'll never understand why some users on the forum feel the need to showcase "their artwork" if all their pieces are just poorly re-drawn/traced versions of already existing artwork. I've seen it become more and more apparent in this thread and hopefully it changes now that I've pointed it out. Please use this thread to post real, original fan-art.

[successoroffate]

I say "Hey Kanzenshuu Community" !

Finnaly i found a great Dragonball Forum.

Who am i:
I live in Swizerland and try to write in english language, this is not very easy for me. (but i try)

In my Leisure, i draw very much. Very much Dragonball Drawings
Earlier I draw on Paper, but now i draw wit my digital Tablat. Ist a "Wacom Cintiq 13HD"

Spoiler:

I like to show you my Drawings:

I'll never understand why some users on the forum feel the need to showcase "their artwork" if all their pieces are just poorly re-drawn/traced versions of already existing artwork. I've seen it become more and more apparent in this thread and hopefully it changes now that I've pointed it out. Please use this thread to post real, original fan-art.

This is not my call but I don't see anything wrong with redrawing or reimagining existing artwork. I've done it myself, my profile pic is just a different direction of an existing artwork/scene (Cooler's revenge)and I posted the full drawing on the previous page. So, my question to you is...Why does it bother you if someone wants to share his or her form of fan art?

[Dbzfan94]

I say "Hey Kanzenshuu Community" !

Finnaly i found a great Dragonball Forum.

Who am i:
I live in Swizerland and try to write in english language, this is not very easy for me. (but i try)

In my Leisure, i draw very much. Very much Dragonball Drawings
Earlier I draw on Paper, but now i draw wit my digital Tablat. Ist a "Wacom Cintiq 13HD"

Spoiler:

I like to show you my Drawings:

















If you want to see how I draw the Pictures, for that i have made some Videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC20I6a ... xRObv8gq5g

Lot of fun while looking...

Best regards
Artwork.Eskobar

LEFT = Original
RIGHT = Eskobar






I'll never understand why some users on the forum feel the need to showcase "their artwork" if all their pieces are just poorly re-drawn/traced versions of already existing artwork. I've seen it become more and more apparent in this thread and hopefully it changes now that I've pointed it out. Please use this thread to post real, original fan-art.

Jeez dude what is your damage? Let the guy post his fanart without some asshole coming down on him. Some people (including myself) aren't really that good enough to just draw something out of the blue. And there's nothing wrong with using a reference for harmless fanart.

[Artwork.Eskobar]

@succsessoroffate
@dbzfan94

Thanks very much!

[TheBalishChannel]

Jeez dude what is your damage? Let the guy post his fanart without some asshole coming down on him. Some people (including myself) aren't really that good enough to just draw something out of the blue. And there's nothing wrong with using a reference for harmless fanart.

Excuse me? I could understand using references such as a model sheet, but literally drawing the same image over again with little to no difference does not constitute as fan-art to me. It's just downgrading the original image, and what's more offensive is that the users who've posted this waste do not list their references nor do they give credit to the original artists that drew the original imagery; they take full-credit for their "work" and deceive those who aren't as familiar with the original pieces by making them believe that it is 100% original by them.

Does adding a backdrop of Namek behind a well-known piece of Frieza artwork really make it "fan-art?" If so, let's consider the situation. Why would Frieza be hovering over the grass in a sitting position while staring at his energy ball? And in his final form? Aren't Vegeta and the rest right in front of him? It doesn't make any sense.

[rereboy]

Excuse me? I could understand using references such as a model sheet, but literally drawing the same image over again with little to no difference does not constitute as fan-art to me. It's just downgrading the original image, and what's more offensive is that the users who've posted this waste do not list their references nor do they give credit to the original artists that drew the original imagery; they take full-credit for their "work" and deceive those who aren't as familiar with the original pieces by making them believe that it is 100% original by them.

Does adding a backdrop of Namek behind a well-known piece of Frieza artwork really make it "fan-art?" If so, let's consider the situation. Why would Frieza be hovering over the grass in a sitting position while staring at his energy ball? And in his final form? Aren't Vegeta and the rest right in front of him? It doesn't make any sense.

Take it easy. It's referenced fan art. Yes, it doesn't have as much merit as non referenced fan art but, so what? The first post in this topic says "this thread is for everyone. If you've got it, post it on here. Doesn't matter how professionally or otherwise it looks, or if the total drawing, scanning, and uploading time was ten minutes; it's all good". At most you could say that he should have given credit to the original images, and I would agree with that, but besides that you are just going overboard.

[DarkPrince_92]

As an artist I can tell you, that's exactly how I got better at it, and became able to draw my own stuff. At 6, I had a Pokemon lunchbox with a charizard on it. I drew that charizard day in and day out until I could do it without the reference. Same when I got older and started drawing DBZ. Eventually I created my own compositions and got better and better. Tracing I don't condone, but drawing from observation should never be an issue, it still takes a good eye and technical ability. Let him live, he's fine. Eskobar, you got it bruh.

[Dbzfan94]

Jeez dude what is your damage? Let the guy post his fanart without some asshole coming down on him. Some people (including myself) aren't really that good enough to just draw something out of the blue. And there's nothing wrong with using a reference for harmless fanart.

Excuse me? I could understand using references such as a model sheet, but literally drawing the same image over again with little to no difference does not constitute as fan-art to me. It's just downgrading the original image, and what's more offensive is that the users who've posted this waste do not list their references nor do they give credit to the original artists that drew the original imagery; they take full-credit for their "work" and deceive those who aren't as familiar with the original pieces by making them believe that it is 100% original by them.

Does adding a backdrop of Namek behind a well-known piece of Frieza artwork really make it "fan-art?" If so, let's consider the situation. Why would Frieza be hovering over the grass in a sitting position while staring at his energy ball? And in his final form? Aren't Vegeta and the rest right in front of him? It doesn't make any sense.

Overreact much? I don't know why you're blowing this out of proportion, like at all.
Also, since Freeza just chilling in his final form on Namek doesn't make sense to you, what would? How about a shot with Buu Saga Gohan standing next to Saiyan Saga Gohan? Is that automatically crap cause it "doesn't make any sense?" Both cases are no, that's an absurd thing to say. Fanart is just that, you can do whatever you want.

[KentalSSJ6]

Jeez dude what is your damage? Let the guy post his fanart without some asshole coming down on him. Some people (including myself) aren't really that good enough to just draw something out of the blue. And there's nothing wrong with using a reference for harmless fanart.

Excuse me? I could understand using references such as a model sheet, but literally drawing the same image over again with little to no difference does not constitute as fan-art to me. It's just downgrading the original image, and what's more offensive is that the users who've posted this waste do not list their references nor do they give credit to the original artists that drew the original imagery; they take full-credit for their "work" and deceive those who aren't as familiar with the original pieces by making them believe that it is 100% original by them.

Does adding a backdrop of Namek behind a well-known piece of Frieza artwork really make it "fan-art?" If so, let's consider the situation. Why would Frieza be hovering over the grass in a sitting position while staring at his energy ball? And in his final form? Aren't Vegeta and the rest right in front of him? It doesn't make any sense.

Remember this?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... start=1020

You really wanna repeat it? Because you're pretty much setting yourself up. Quit while you're ahead.

[TheBalishChannel]

Take it easy. It's referenced fan art. Yes, it doesn't have as much merit as non referenced fan art but, so what? The first post in this topic says "this thread is for everyone. If you've got it, post it on here. Doesn't matter how professionally or otherwise it looks, or if the total drawing, scanning, and uploading time was ten minutes; it's all good". At most you could say that he should have given credit to the original images, and I would agree with that, but besides that you are just going overboard.

As an artist I can tell you, that's exactly how I got better at it, and became able to draw my own stuff. At 6, I had a Pokemon lunchbox with a charizard on it. I drew that charizard day in and day out until I could do it without the reference. Same when I got older and started drawing DBZ. Eventually I created my own compositions and got better and better. Tracing I don't condone, but drawing from observation should never be an issue, it still takes a good eye and technical ability. Let him live, he's fine. Eskobar, you got it bruh.

Overreact much? I don't know why you're blowing this out of proportion, like at all.
Also, since Freeza just chilling in his final form on Namek doesn't make sense to you, what would? How about a shot with Buu Saga Gohan standing next to Saiyan Saga Gohan? Is that automatically crap cause it "doesn't make any sense?" Both cases are no, that's an absurd thing to say. Fanart is just that, you can do whatever you want.

Refusing to give credit to the original artists and/or providing links to the original images that were used to make these pieces of art is what I find to be the most offensive issue regarding this current situation. Unsuspecting users among the forum may look at Eskobar's artwork here and drop a comment that says something along the lines of "wow, you're a really great artist;" not knowing of course that they are inferior drawings of already existing art. Imagine someone taking full credit for an illustration that you were proud of creating without your consent? I certainly would not be flattered, and I'd be very upset knowing that the artist who'd done so (claiming my artwork as their own original creation) did not notify his viewers that his imagery is based upon existing artwork.

Sure, as DarkPrince_92 stated; you can learn a lot while drawing what you see directly. This can shape your mind in order for you to be able to draw these characters on command, and it's a good way to practice. However, what Eskobar has failed to mention in his first post was that he is practicing by copying existing artwork. He obviously wants you to believe that, with how he says "I draw very much, very much Dragon Ball drawings! " that he is already able to draw these without the assistance of preexisting images.

In regards to a situation where Buu Saga Gohan would be standing next to a Saiyan Saga Gohan, it would make sense as it showcases how Gohan looks from the beginning to the end of the series. Frieza just sitting on a random Namek mountain with nothing going on other than him staring at his own energy ball, doing the same exact pose as the very well-known piece of artwork, doesn't make any sense to me and just comes off as lazy.

At least successoroffate (whom of which criticized my initial post) took some creative liberties in order to differentiate his work from the original that he referenced. He may have had a couple that were more or less the same as what can be seen in the show/movies (albeit in lesser quality) but this is what users who look to use references should be doing, as opposed to re-uploading art that (hopefully) we've all seen before.



I don't believe I'm being an "asshole" for pointing this out, and I resent the idea that I'm trying to instigate an argument. All I would like from now on is whenever you're about to post something that can be easily recognized as artwork that's been made public already, either cite the original work/artist or make a quick statement saying "I'm in the middle of practicing, so you may notice a few distinct poses or scenarios" or something to that effect. This thread is meant to impress, not give us a wrong impression.

[VegettoEX]

I think TheBalishChannel provided a very well-thought-out and reasonable response here. You don't have to agree with it, but you do have to at least consider it without being rudely dismissive of it. That's the entire point of a discussion, particularly when it comes to art and critique.