"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Sandubadear]

Maybe the Pilaf Gang from Trunks' timeline created/allied with Goku Black, lol.

Though they would be really old since there aren't Dragon Balls there anymore.

[TekTheNinja]

Goku is more Goku than ever. Gohan is the one he was already shaping up to be in Z.

Nah just because gokus goofy qualities were exaggerated go insane proportions doesn't mean he's more goku than ever. Same with gohan. The dude wanted to be a scholar but he also knew he had to be a protector. Even after cell he did things here and here to protect. But now he's stopped training again which makes no sense after he saw the consequences of the first time. Even if ep 30 wasn't filler, he should have learnt that lesson earlier

Yeah, exactly. They're not themselves. They've been heavily flanderized.

[Araki]

Nah just because gokus goofy qualities were exaggerated go insane proportions doesn't mean he's more goku than ever.

Your words. He's the selfish, fighting-maniac person Toriyama always wanted him to be.
Him stepping out of the tournament so he wouldn't end up as the gods' pawn, for instance, was perfect Goku. But you're free to ignore all that and reduce him to "goofy" if you want.

For a Goku done completely wrong and out of character, check GT.

Same with gohan. The dude wanted to be a scholar but he also knew he had to be a protector.

The same Gohan who, in Z, ditched training for 7 years even before he had a wife, a daughter and was a scholar?

Yeah...right. I don't know what Gohan is that who always knew he had to be a protector, was that a dub thing?

But now he's stopped training again which makes no sense after he saw the consequences of the first time.

We don't know if he actually did.

[dbzfan7]

Well hopefully the not so exciting idea, becomes a good one in execution. Otherwise the most fun part of the arc will be the White Knights. Just like the good ol days of the rehash arcs. But I do have a firm belief it should at least be decent. A stride with the tourney arc was hit, and I think they can at least keep the entertainment around that level.

[kinisking]

Nah just because gokus goofy qualities were exaggerated go insane proportions doesn't mean he's more goku than ever.

Your words. He's the selfish, fighting-maniac person Toriyama always wanted him to be.
Him stepping out of the tournament so he wouldn't end up as the gods' pawn, for instance, was perfect Goku. But you're free to ignore all that and reduce him to "goofy" if you want.

For a Goku done completely wrong and out of character, check GT.

Same with gohan. The dude wanted to be a scholar but he also knew he had to be a protector.

The same Gohan who, in Z, ditched training for 7 years even before he had a wife, a daughter and was a scholar?

Yeah...right. I don't know what Gohan is that who always knew he had to be a protector, was that a dub thing?

But now he's stopped training again which makes no sense after he saw the consequences of the first time.

We don't know if he actually did.

It made more sense for him to ditch training for 7 years the first time. The dude probably thought he was the strongest in the universe and nothing like cell would happen again. But buu should have been a wake up call. And gohan DID always know he had to fight, even as a kid in the saiyan saga. The dude cares about the people close to him. He insisted on going to namek, even mentally training on the way there. Then, he didn't hesitate to train for 3 whole years before the androids. Then in preparation for cell and boo. He didn't do that for fun, he did it to protect. It's no where close to a dub only line.

Yes goku does have his moments where he seems like his old self, but those moments are ruined by his extreme stupidity in other situations.

[Greninja22]

Hi guys,

I just want to ask if there is any word that DB super will go on after 100th episode and if there is any word the anime will stop at some point?

[Sodhi]

Hi guys,

I just want to ask if there is any word that DB super will go on after 100th episode and if there is any word the anime will stop at some point?

There is no official word on that. Only thing we know is that Super will go on for at least 72 episodes.

[HeroR]

Nah just because gokus goofy qualities were exaggerated go insane proportions doesn't mean he's more goku than ever.

Your words. He's the selfish, fighting-maniac person Toriyama always wanted him to be.
Him stepping out of the tournament so he wouldn't end up as the gods' pawn, for instance, was perfect Goku. But you're free to ignore all that and reduce him to "goofy" if you want.

For a Goku done completely wrong and out of character, check GT.

Same with gohan. The dude wanted to be a scholar but he also knew he had to be a protector.

The same Gohan who, in Z, ditched training for 7 years even before he had a wife, a daughter and was a scholar?

Yeah...right. I don't know what Gohan is that who always knew he had to be a protector, was that a dub thing?

But now he's stopped training again which makes no sense after he saw the consequences of the first time.

We don't know if he actually did.

It made more sense for him to ditch training for 7 years the first time. The dude probably thought he was the strongest in the universe and nothing like cell would happen again. But buu should have been a wake up call. And gohan DID always know he had to fight, even as a kid in the saiyan saga. The dude cares about the people close to him. He insisted on going to namek, even mentally training on the way there. Then, he didn't hesitate to train for 3 whole years before the androids. Then in preparation for cell and boo. He didn't do that for fun, he did it to protect. It's no where close to a dub only line.

Yes goku does have his moments where he seems like his old self, but those moments are ruined by his extreme stupidity in other situations.

Gohan never wanted to fight, he only fought because he had to. And since you mentioned Namek, he went to the planet to revived his friend and master who died protect him. He didn't know Freeza and his men, along with Vegeta, would all be there fighting for the Dragon Balls. He was then stuck on Namek after the ship was damage, so it wasn't like he had any choice. It was either fight or die. The androids were said to come and kill everyone Gohan loved, so of course he trained, the same when he was preparing for Cell.

After Buu, who was said to be the most powerful being the universe by the Kais, Gohan relaxed again because there was no big threat happening. He also wasn't the only defender since Vegeta, Goku, Gotenks, and Mr. Buu are around, so it isn't like he was the lone defender of the Earth.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

I hope Super ends after 72 episodes but Toei will do anything for money so it might go on even longer i hope thats not the case.

- Travis

[Cetra]

For a Goku done completely wrong and out of character, check GT.

Gokuu in GT is as in character as ever. He is a selfish fighting maniac who laughs even facing death just because his enemy is so strong, his people can rely on him and he is a naive, goofy guy.

[SansrivaaL]

That title tho... The black new enemy... yeap... smell of racism right there, tho ofc thats definitely not what they were going for but I'm quite certain a lot of people would look at that the wrong way.

About on the Goku topic, I actually see him more as to how Toriyama wanted him to be in the series, but they pushed it too much and made him much more of an idiot than he's supposed to be, I mean like 1 mint he's a fighting genius then the next he turns back to this dumbass mf that doesnt even know how to count.

[Vados_chan]

I will laugh if he really is Black.

Or what if it's not an evil Goku at all and it's just a smokescreen?

[Lujin_16]

You guys think that the Omni King will train Goku in future???(otherwise how will Goku surpass him??)

[Vados_chan]

You guys think that the Omni King will train Goku in future???(otherwise how will Goku surpass him??)

I don't think Goku will surpass a dude that can wipe out the multiverse with ease.

[Nightzus]

You guys think that the Omni King will train Goku in future???(otherwise how will Goku surpass him??)

I hope not... I'm not so sure I'd like to see Gokû surpass Zen'ô (that is, if Zen'ô is actually a strong fighter)...

Sure, Gokû was the strongest being back in the days when we had no idea of the existence of other universes or Hakaishin. He surpassed everyone, even deities. But now, we were introduced to Gods who are genuine and skilled fighters (Beerus and Champa). There are far above Gokû and it puts him back in a place where he can train hard to close the gap. But I hope he will not surpass them, at least not until a long moment and hopefully for a short amount of time (as seen perhaps with the SSJB Kaiôken).

He's nothing but a Saiyan raised on Earth. Yes he's a genius fighter. Yes he's trained by deities. But I wouldn't like the idea that he's far and beyond everyone from all 12 universes. What would be next? I mean, even Beerus understood that he had to pretend there existed someone stronger than Gokû and maybe on par with himself to keep Gokû entertained and active. Sure Gokû would not stop training, but his motivation is fighting strong foes. Being at such a level would render his life pointless (kind of remind how bored Saitama is in OPM, would probably be the same for Gokû), because no one would rival his strength.

[Lujin_16]

You guys think that the Omni King will train Goku in future???(otherwise how will Goku surpass him??)

I don't think Goku will surpass a dude that can wipe out the multiverse with ease.

Right not even a fan made creation of Dragonball will surpass him

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Honestly, I'm not sure. If the merchandising people have their way, and/or if Toriyama continues to rest on what's 'easy' to do (ie give a new transformation and say it's stronger than previous ones), which he very well could do, then yeah, it's pretty likely we'll get a new form. At the same time though, we have absolutely no way to know for sure that we will, much less that it will indeed be 'Super Saiyan White'. My whole point is that people are taking a comment that I'm pretty sure was in jest, and treating it as a 100% factual info drop of what's to come, as if it came in the same way as actual series teases like Toriyama's previous statements about 'there's gonna be a tournament in another universe' and most recently 'Future Trunks comes back and there's a Goku Black they're gonna have to fight'. Speculation is fine, hell, it's fun and even kind of the point of a forum - I just don't get why it's seemingly accepted as a 'definite' thing.

Not everyone treats it as a fact, most of those are misinformed people that think Toriyama confirmed the next transformation will be Super Saiyan White, when what was actually said was that if we get a new form maybe it will be white.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Not everyone treats it as a fact, most of those are misinformed people that think Toriyama confirmed the next transformation will be Super Saiyan White, when what was actually said was that if we get a new form maybe it will be white.

Exactly, that's my point right there. It's fine if people want to take it as such, but it just seems a bit...misguided, I guess, to put that much stock into an off-the-cuff remark, even from Toriyama himself.

Heck, I wouldn't put it past the man to either A) forget entirely that he'd joked about Super Saiyan White, or B) remember it and go 'Oh, so that's what people are expecting huh? ...Hmm...let's do Super Saiyan Purple!' or something.

[HAIKEN-00]

So it seems the Future Trunks arc will begin on Episode 47 with the introduction of Kuro-Goku. I'm excited.

[Noah]

About on the Goku topic, I actually see him more as to how Toriyama wanted him to be in the series, but they pushed it too much and made him much more of an idiot than he's supposed to be, I mean like 1 mint he's a fighting genius then the next he turns back to this dumbass mf that doesnt even know how to count.

Exactly! Probably Toei staff watching too much Abridged Series, who knows...