"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Wed May 25, 2016 6:37 pm

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saiyanvegetable wrote:PIccolo's fight in the manga was so much better than in the anime. Piccolo, even though he was outclassed, was holding his own and in the end didn't concede to Vegeta like some kind of bitch. The anime version was one of the worst excuses for a battle I've ever seen.
I preferred the anime. The strategy was better, it was a longer fight, and i liked how piccolo called himself the strategist of u7. It didn't make sense how piccolo was using his stretchy arms in the manga when technically frost should be able to grab his hand and throw him down on the floor. Heck, he could have just flown up behind him or something since he's so much stronger. Likewise, the anime didn't make sense when Piccolo was blocking his punches.
Exactly. In the anime he's full of confidence and was actually about to win despise being way weaker. In the manga he acted like a bitch.

I just don't understand how anyone can prefer the manga fight. It was insulting.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Wed May 25, 2016 7:03 pm

kinisking wrote:
saiyanvegetable wrote:PIccolo's fight in the manga was so much better than in the anime. Piccolo, even though he was outclassed, was holding his own and in the end didn't concede to Vegeta like some kind of bitch. The anime version was one of the worst excuses for a battle I've ever seen.
I preferred the anime. The strategy was better, it was a longer fight, and i liked how piccolo called himself the strategist of u7. It didn't make sense how piccolo was using his stretchy arms in the manga when technically frost should be able to grab his hand and throw him down on the floor. Heck, he could have just flown up behind him or something since he's so much stronger. Likewise, the anime didn't make sense when Piccolo was blocking his punches.
I find the anime fight more entertaining. But the manga fight makes more sense to me. There's some logic to think that Frost couldn't grab Piccolo's arms, they were descending with great power, kinda like trying to grab a bullet even if one saw it coming.
Frost was deemed stronger but he wasn't faster, at least by a significant margin. I doubt he could get behind Piccolo like that. At the start of the fight we see the Namekian dodging even with his weighted cape. Piccolo chooses to fight at a distance to weaken Frost and avoid being hit, to a point where he could stand a chance face-to-face.
Which is why he decides to block Frost's last attack, were he cheated. By that time maybe he could've done something to win, since Frost was pretty empty and frustrated.

In the anime, the whole blocking Frosts attacks with one hand while charging a massive Makankosappo with the other doesn't work for me. Neither does him stopping some of Frosts beams with his antennas attacks.
Had he dodged the whole fight, it could work. Actually disputing the match, while charging a high level technique. When he's supposed to be decently inferior to his opponent is a contradiction to me.
ZombieVito wrote:Exactly. In the anime he's full of confidence and was actually about to win despise being way weaker. In the manga he acted like a bitch.

I just don't understand how anyone can prefer the manga fight. It was insulting.
It's pretty much the same in both mediums. Hesitant at first and asking his opponent to power down. Displays and uses his strategy confidently. He even laughs at Frost's frustration in the manga.
The only difference is the strategist of the Universe 7 line, which seems an attempt to give a trait(reinforce) to the character. It feels pretty unnecessary and an empty boost. He's got Goku, Vegeta, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc.. Is he actually that much better than them?

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by kinisking » Wed May 25, 2016 7:06 pm

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kinisking wrote:
saiyanvegetable wrote:PIccolo's fight in the manga was so much better than in the anime. Piccolo, even though he was outclassed, was holding his own and in the end didn't concede to Vegeta like some kind of bitch. The anime version was one of the worst excuses for a battle I've ever seen.
I preferred the anime. The strategy was better, it was a longer fight, and i liked how piccolo called himself the strategist of u7. It didn't make sense how piccolo was using his stretchy arms in the manga when technically frost should be able to grab his hand and throw him down on the floor. Heck, he could have just flown up behind him or something since he's so much stronger. Likewise, the anime didn't make sense when Piccolo was blocking his punches.
I find the anime fight more entertaining. But the manga fight makes more sense to me. There's some logic to think that Frost couldn't grab Piccolo's arms, they were descending with great power, kinda like trying to grab a bullet even if one saw it coming.
Frost was deemed stronger but he wasn't faster, at least by a significant margin. I doubt he could get behind Piccolo like that. At the start of the fight we see the Namekian dodging even with his weighted cape. Piccolo chooses to fight at a distance to weaken Frost and avoid being hit, to a point where he could stand a chance face-to-face.
Which is why he decides to block Frost's last attack, were he cheated. By that time maybe he could've done something to win, since Frost was pretty empty and frustrated.

In the anime, the whole blocking Frosts attacks with one hand while charging a massive Makankosappo with the other doesn't work for me. Neither does him stopping some of Frosts beams with his antennas attacks.
Had he dodged the whole fight, it could work. Actually disputing the match, while charging a high level technique. When he's supposed to be decently inferior to his opponent is a contradiction to me.
ZombieVito wrote:Exactly. In the anime he's full of confidence and was actually about to win despise being way weaker. In the manga he acted like a bitch.

I just don't understand how anyone can prefer the manga fight. It was insulting.
It's pretty much the same in both mediums. Hesitant at first and asking his opponent to power down. Displays and uses his strategy confidently. He even laughs at Frost's frustration in the manga.
The only difference is the strategist of the Universe 7 line, which seems an attempt to give a trait(reinforce) to the character. It feels pretty unnecessary and an empty boost. He's got Goku, Vegeta, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc.. Is he actually that much better than them?
In my opinoin, Piccolo is definitely way ahead of krillin and tien when it comes to strategy. I think he's also much higher than vegeta but I could see that easily being debated. Goku is where it gets really debatable though.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by pacz360 » Wed May 25, 2016 7:23 pm

I don't see how the manga version of piccolo Vs frost was any better in the anime the anime had piccolo tried at least and almost win instead of asking frost to go easy on him.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Wed May 25, 2016 8:01 pm

He asked the same in the anime.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Wed May 25, 2016 8:18 pm

LightBing wrote:
It's pretty much the same in both mediums. Hesitant at first and asking his opponent to power down. Displays and uses his strategy confidently. He even laughs at Frost's frustration in the manga.
The only difference is the strategist of the Universe 7 line, which seems an attempt to give a trait(reinforce) to the character. It feels pretty unnecessary and an empty boost. He's got Goku, Vegeta, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc.. Is he actually that much better than them?
No. it's not.

In the manga Piccolo reduced himself to just make Frost's stamina go down. In the anime he never does this, he goes for the win the entire time.

Saying the fights were the same is ridiculous.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Nejishiki » Wed May 25, 2016 8:22 pm

Wouldn't exploiting your foe's stamina be considered an intelligent tactic? It's essentially what Goku does before Piccolo in the previous arc.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Wed May 25, 2016 10:01 pm

ZombieVito wrote:
LightBing wrote:
It's pretty much the same in both mediums. Hesitant at first and asking his opponent to power down. Displays and uses his strategy confidently. He even laughs at Frost's frustration in the manga.
The only difference is the strategist of the Universe 7 line, which seems an attempt to give a trait(reinforce) to the character. It feels pretty unnecessary and an empty boost. He's got Goku, Vegeta, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc.. Is he actually that much better than them?
No. it's not.

In the manga Piccolo reduced himself to just make Frost's stamina go down. In the anime he never does this, he goes for the win the entire time.

Saying the fights were the same is ridiculous.
The fights template are the same, it just goes into different directions.
Saying Piccolo was portrayed as bitch in the manga is simply untrue. He actually fights, Goku and Vegeta say he's giving Frost a run for his money. Compare it to the anime were he's running away, even Champa complains about it.

It surely depends on perspective but it can't be black and white. The statements are the same, the fight's are different. In the anime, he has a direct plan to win. In the manga he hopes to reduce his stamina to get a chance.

I don't see how in one he reduces himself and in the other he's doesn't. Seriously, the point is the same in both fight's Piccolo shows his determination and doesn't accept that he's just there to weaken Frost, like Goku said.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Wed May 25, 2016 11:32 pm

LightBing wrote:
The fights template are the same, it just goes into different directions.
Saying Piccolo was portrayed as bitch in the manga is simply untrue. He actually fights, Goku and Vegeta say he's giving Frost a run for his money. Compare it to the anime were he's running away, even Champa complains about it.

It surely depends on perspective but it can't be black and white. The statements are the same, the fight's are different. In the anime, he has a direct plan to win. In the manga he hopes to reduce his stamina to get a chance.

I don't see how in one he reduces himself and in the other he's doesn't. Seriously, the point is the same in both fight's Piccolo shows his determination and doesn't accept that he's just there to weaken Frost, like Goku said.
I suggest you read the chapter again because that's exactly what happens.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Draconic » Thu May 26, 2016 8:55 am

Not to mention that in the manga him just accepting he's there just to weaken Frost is made even dumber by the fact that Frost would still stand no chance against Super Saiyan Vegeta.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Sodhi » Thu May 26, 2016 9:46 am

Draconic wrote:Not to mention that in the manga him just accepting he's there just to weaken Frost is made even dumber by the fact that Frost would still stand no chance against Super Saiyan Vegeta.
lol ikr, vegeta could still one shot him anyway.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Thu May 26, 2016 1:15 pm

It made sense because they didn't know what technique Frost was using to beat them.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu May 26, 2016 2:37 pm

I like Piccolo vs Frost better in the anime because of the moves Piccolo used and because he blocked with 1 hand. In both versions he was fighting to win and Frost had no chance of winning in both versions without cheating.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by ZombieVito » Thu May 26, 2016 3:05 pm

What the hell.... Did I read the wrong version of the chapter?

In no way did Piccolo tried to win in the manga.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by saiyanvegetable » Fri May 27, 2016 6:33 pm

The anime version was so piss poor I just can't get behind it.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 28, 2016 1:21 am

saiyanvegetable wrote:The anime version was so piss poor I just can't get behind it.
No, it wasn't. It was much better than the promo manga.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by saiyanvegetable » Sat May 28, 2016 1:54 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:
saiyanvegetable wrote:The anime version was so piss poor I just can't get behind it.
No, it wasn't. It was much better than the promo manga.
Gotta take your fanboy goggles off for this one. I've never seen a fight executed so poorly.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 28, 2016 1:58 am

saiyanvegetable wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:
saiyanvegetable wrote:The anime version was so piss poor I just can't get behind it.
No, it wasn't. It was much better than the promo manga.
Gotta take your fanboy goggles off for this one. I've never seen a fight executed so poorly.
You mean the promo manga version? I agree.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by saiyanvegetable » Sat May 28, 2016 2:05 am

Kuririn Fan wrote: You mean the promo manga version? I agree.
You can use all the snark you want but that fight was one of the worst in the franchise. Compare it to any fight from any other anime series and it's bottom of the barrel. Throw in Piccolo's characterization and it's even worse. I can see why Vegeta fans didn't really the Magetta fight but if I was a Piccolo fan I'd be livid.

P.S - as much as GT sucked it never fell to the abysmal standard of Piccolo vs Frost.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat May 28, 2016 2:09 am

saiyanvegetable wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote: You mean the promo manga version? I agree.
You can use all the snark you want but that fight was one of the worst in the franchise. Compare it to any fight from any other anime series and it's bottom of the barrel. Throw in Piccolo's characterization and it's even worse.
I don't understand, that description is perfect for promo manga version of the fight. In the main product, the anime, fight was awesome and it was the best one in the tournament so far, at that time. I don't know, maybe i watched some awesome, special version, i'll have to rewatch the original one, i guess, because what you're saying doesn't make sense.

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