900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:39 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Saiyajin is the same as Saiyan, it's just Japanese. Just like I'd be an Amerikajin vs. an America. It's preference.

It may be preference at the end of the day, but in practice I don't think any English-speaking person would logically call Americans "Amerika-jin." Which is why people who insist on using the "J" in SS[J] annoy me. There is no such suffix "jin" in the English language; that's a relic of the fansub days when people didn't know any better.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:45 am

Acid_Reign wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Saiyajin is the same as Saiyan, it's just Japanese. Just like I'd be an Amerikajin vs. an America. It's preference.
It may be preference at the end of the day, but in practice I don't think any English-speaking person would logically call Americans "Amerika-jin." Which is why people who insist on using the "J" in SS[J] annoy me. There is no such suffix "jin" in the English language; that's a relic of the fansub days when people didn't know any better.

I think a lot of people use "SSj" over "SS" merely for aesthetic reasons. That, and "SS Goku" can sound like you're talking about a ship, as somebody's signature humorously pointed out.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:51 am

Acid_Reign wrote:What's an MPEG? Oh boy. In short, an MPEG is an electronic video format. It's what all DVD movies are actually rendered in.

Sorry that I sounded strange when I asked what an MPEG file was, since all my DVD's say the format is in AVI only... I'm not that good with file formats so forgive me on that one.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:57 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:I think a lot of people use "SSj" over "SS" merely for aesthetic reasons. That, and "SS Goku" can sound like you're talking about a ship, as somebody's signature humorously pointed out.

Yeah, I noticed that, but you'd have to be pretty dense to confuse a conversation about a martial arts animé with a conversation about boats. And I don't really see aesthetics as playing a part at all. "SS" looks a lot more visually appealing to me than "SSJ," even if I were speaking using purely Japanese nomenclature, because "jin" does not constitute a new word in this instance. If it did, the translation would come out to be something like, "Super Saiya Human."

Gokuden553 wrote:Sorry that I sounded strange when I asked what an MPEG file was, since all my DVD's say the format is in AVI only... I'm not that good with file formats so forgive me on that one.

There's no such thing as an AVI-format DVD. AVI is a container format and is only as good as the codec being used for that file (DivX is one example.)

All DVDs are MPEG-2. If you extract video from a DVD and don't process it any further, that's the format it will be in. That's really all you need to know.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:58 am

Saiyajin is the same as Saiyan, it's just Japanese. Just like I'd be an Amerikajin vs. an America. It's preference.

Yeah I knew that. I was just more or less thinking 'Saiyan' is a better translation thing..

Sorry that I sounded strange when I asked what an MPEG file was, since all my DVD's say the format is in AVI only... I'm not that good with file formats so forgive me on that one.

MPEG is a file compression standard (Like Corey thankfully mentioned), AVI is a format container. They're not alike.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:15 am

Gokuden553 wrote:Sorry that I sounded strange when I asked what an MPEG file was, since all my DVD's say the format is in AVI only... I'm not that good with file formats so forgive me on that one.

Then you don't have DVD movie discs that would play in a standalone player (unless it can play other video streams, which some including my own can), but rather DVD-R's with data files. More than likely, they are DivX/XviD compressed files.

Acid_Reign wrote:It may be preference at the end of the day, but in practice I don't think any English-speaking person would logically call Americans "Amerika-jin." Which is why people who insist on using the "J" in SS[J] annoy me. There is no such suffix "jin" in the English language; that's a relic of the fansub days when people didn't know any better.

Err, I didn't mean it that way. I was merely stating that a "jin" suffix is akin to "an" in English and used the Japanese term for American compared to the English to give a better understanding. Hence Saiyajin being the same as Saiyan. Personally, as strange as it sounds, I've used Saiyajin simply out of habit from my initial exposure to the series (via unsubbed clips and the International Channel) but don't transfer it to saying other stuff like "Namekseijin" and so on. Admittedly, it's not proper and I have actually tried to rid myself of it. The "SSJ" abbreviation doesn't bother me though,

-Corey

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:28 am

Gokuden553 wrote:...

You know, I try really hard to maintain a mature and respective attitude on this forum, but your persisting with this bootleg BS and even implying its subtitles are better than Steve Simmons' all based on choices of name spelling is pretty much crossing a line, if it hasn't already. As Corey said, shut up about it and stop claiming you have an almighty Dragonbox; because you don't. All you have is a poorly filtered and encoded release with probably bullshit subtitles that I would give away if I could. Also, it doesn't help that your technical knowledge about DVDs is as good as Gomer Pyle's common sense. Enough with your bootleg talk, it goes against the integrity of this forum and what it stands for. If you wanna do true comparisons, buy the fucking R2 singles, Spanish releases, FUNi singles, or something legit. I'll say it one more time, ENOUGH with the bootlegs; those of us with moral respect to the series are fed up.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:29 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Err, I didn't mean it that way. I was merely stating that a "jin" suffix is akin to "an" in English and used the Japanese term for American compared to the English to give a better understanding. Hence Saiyajin being the same as Saiyan. Personally, as strange as it sounds, I've used Saiyajin simply out of habit from my initial exposure to the series (via unsubbed clips and the International Channel) but don't transfer it to saying other stuff like "Namekseijin" and so on. Admittedly, it's not proper and I have actually tried to rid myself of it. The "SSJ" abbreviation doesn't bother me though,

-Corey

I know, and I wasn't criticizing you, but it seems to to be a mere force of habit with fans than anything truly ambiguous. But, as long as they actually know the difference when using it, it doesn't bother me too much. :P

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:35 am

Acid_Reign wrote:I know, and I wasn't criticizing you, but it seems to to be a mere force of habit with fans than anything truly ambiguous. But, as long as they actually know the difference when using it, it doesn't bother me too much.

That's cool, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming off as the "LOL DESU! OMFG WATASHI WA KAWAII-SAN!"-type ;p

-Corey

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:42 am

MPEG looks like crap when watched on a computer. That's why AVI is better suited for computer watching.

MPEG looks good on TV.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:45 am

JAPPO wrote:MPEG looks like crap when watched on a computer. That's why AVI is better suited for computer watching.

MPEG looks good on TV.

*sigh*

I'm tired, I'm not even gonna correct you. Someone else wanna field this one? If not, I'll handle it tomorrow. After I've had my coffee.

-Corey

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:48 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:That's cool, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming off as the "LOL DESU! OMFG WATASHI WA KAWAII-SAN!"-type ;p

-Corey

Hahaha, no, definitely not. The exact opposite actually. Though I don't know what that would be...The "Heh, sou da. Ore wa Sugoi Hito-san!" type? :P

And no. Let Wikipedia correct him.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:53 am

What's to correct? I watch MPEG on my computer and the quality is worse than AVI. I know MPEG is a format used to burn to DVD (it does not need to convert like AVI), but that doesn't mean you can't watch it on the computer.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:17 am

JAPPO wrote:What's to correct? I watch MPEG on my computer and the quality is worse than AVI. I know MPEG is a format used to burn to DVD (it does not need to convert like AVI), but that doesn't mean you can't watch it on the computer.

Jappo shut up. You never seem to have a clue what your talking about.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:21 am

JAPPO wrote:What's to correct? I watch MPEG on my computer and the quality is worse than AVI. I know MPEG is a format used to burn to DVD (it does not need to convert like AVI), but that doesn't mean you can't watch it on the computer.

AVI isn't a format. It's a container, which was mentioned about thrice in this thread alone. You can watch any digital video format on a computer so long as you have the proper codec and software to do so; that much was never contested.

The real issue is that—contrary to what you've concluded—properly-rendered MPEG video can look absolutely gorgeous on a computer. AVI is not inherently "better" by any means; an AVI with a high compression ratio will look like shit compared to an MPEG-2 created from the same source.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:50 am

I do have lots of MPEG videos that really look like crap on a computer. They are around 250 MB for 22 minutes of video. I can PM you some screens.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:57 am

JAPPO wrote:I do have lots of MPEG videos that really look like crap on a computer. They are around 250 MB for 22 minutes of video. I can PM you some screens.

Uh, I never said they couldn't look crappy. Obviously if an idiot made them and didn't know what he was doing they are going to look crappy. And of course if the video source is of a particularly low-quality to begin with, then there's not a whole lot anyone can do with them. But, I assure you, it has NOTHING to do with whether or not you view them on a computer. Burning them to a DVD and watching them on your TV won't improve a thing visually.

Please do some research first because your argument at the moment is rather foolish.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:41 am

Gokuden553 and JAPPO...

I'm going to be frank, here. Your complete and utter ignorance on the topics you're attempting to converse on is making you look absolutely, ridiculously, and disgustingly foolish. You're both walking a very fine line.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:42 am

I got my box yesterday. I didn't think that cduniverse would be so fast. Amazon.com needs at least almost 2 - 3 weeks to ship. So, a very big "Thank you!" to cduniverse,- the shop where Krauts are welcome.

I don't want to write a review here. Just a few thoughts.
I have seen 4 random episodes. I switched several times between the Japanese track, the FUNi dub with own BGM and the FUNi dub with original BGM. The mixing of the last one is pure crap. The voices are much too loud and the sound effects are just some noise in the background. Tss, and I thought FUNi would have very good sound engineers. >_>

The video quality is good (for me). On my TV it's clear and pretty sharp.
Sure, there are many "chilipeppers", dirt and such of things, but I didn't
recognise this really in the action. Same with the widescreen.
I HATE IT! Especially since I have a "good old" (big) 4:3 TV. But when I enjoyed the show, the action and read the subs, I forgot about this bullshit.

The set is good for me. It could have been very better, yes. But eat this:
In many countries there are NO DVD releases for DBZ (and in some countries only the edit dub). So, be happy to get some decent shit.

Gokuden553 · Post by **Gokuden553** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:43 am

Did anyone compare it with your subs yet?

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