Why hasn't Super had any cultural impact at all?

[TekTheNinja]

Because it lacks heart. it's hard for people to be in love with it like with Z and ball and GT because when you watch them it wasn't a chore (save for maybe the first arc of GT and the great saiyaman saga)...super is very half assed in it's inconsistent writing and poor animation. It just rehashed 2 films for it's first 2 arcs and has a lot of flaws, lacking the heart of dragonball. Sadly Super will never be a big impact, more of a stain on dragonball's good name.

GT is the heartless one and a stain on Dragon Ball's name. It can't be compared to Super, let alone Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. It's a piece of shit, terrible fucking garbage of a series and forever will be.

GT is just an average series. At least it's not near-unwatchable like Super.

[VegettoEX]

I'd argue there's no stain at all anywhere within GT (especially with how it's constantly still trotted out for merchandise and games), and Super had mostly redeemed itself if the current hype over the recent arc / upcoming arc and how that translates into actual merchandise sales means anything (and it does!).

Honestly, the only "stain" there's truly been in recent history has been episode five of Super... and not for anything about itself, but because it prompted Yamamuro to get all passive-aggressive and actually blame the fans. Personally, I think he amplified the "stain" there all on his own with that very action and he's alone to blame for that.

I'm also one of the folks that also finds Evolution totally inoffensive, forgettable, and inconsequential. I don't really see where Toriyama was coming from, but on the other hand, I do kinda get it (specifically the "it's my damn series wtf maybe TRY listening to me" aspect).

[Lord Beerus]

It's still way to soon to judge the cultural impact of Super, if it is to have any. Like others have already commented in this thread, the show hasn't had any form of official release outside of Japan yet, so the jury is still out.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

I have to ask, what does this question mean, exactly?

Dragon Ball is a thirty year old property with such immense popularity and staying power that even a new TV series is simply going to spearhead the steady juggernaut. Super's hasty production should be cold proof of this.

[Soppa Saia People]

WE GET IT! You don't like GT, but do you need to talk about every thread ?

No, not every thread, just when it's needed.

Cause it's so needed to tell people that "GT fucking sucks" every time it's brought up

[Captain Strawberry]

other than the reasons everyone else has said. They've only really been telling really linear storylines so far. The ROF, doesn't have a lot of story telling for it even in Super.

[Kid Buu]

I'd argue there's no stain at all anywhere within GT (especially with how it's constantly still trotted out for merchandise and games), and Super had mostly redeemed itself if the current hype over the recent arc / upcoming arc and how that translates into actual merchandise sales means anything (and it does!).

Honestly, the only "stain" there's truly been in recent history has been episode five of Super... and not for anything about itself, but because it prompted Yamamuro to get all passive-aggressive and actually blame the fans. Personally, I think he amplified the "stain" there all on his own with that very action and he's alone to blame for that.

I'm also one of the folks that also finds Evolution totally inoffensive, forgettable, and inconsequential. I don't really see where Toriyama was coming from, but on the other hand, I do kinda get it (specifically the "it's my damn series wtf maybe TRY listening to me" aspect).

Would the Kai music scandal count as a "stain" on the series?

[sintzu]

They've only really been telling really linear storylines so far. The ROF, doesn't have a lot of story telling for it even in Super.

This is also a big problem with Super that the original didn't have so hopefully it'll change with the next arc.

In terms of RF, they addressed the majority of complaints fans had with the movie so I'll give them credit for that cause it was worth the retelling unlike the BOG story which got worse in it's retelling.

[Snow_Lilies]

I'd argue there's no stain at all anywhere within GT (especially with how it's constantly still trotted out for merchandise and games), and Super had mostly redeemed itself if the current hype over the recent arc / upcoming arc and how that translates into actual merchandise sales means anything (and it does!).

Honestly, the only "stain" there's truly been in recent history has been episode five of Super... and not for anything about itself, but because it prompted Yamamuro to get all passive-aggressive and actually blame the fans. Personally, I think he amplified the "stain" there all on his own with that very action and he's alone to blame for that.

I'm also one of the folks that also finds Evolution totally inoffensive, forgettable, and inconsequential. I don't really see where Toriyama was coming from, but on the other hand, I do kinda get it (specifically the "it's my damn series wtf maybe TRY listening to me" aspect).

Would the Kai music scandal count as a "stain" on the series?

I don't know I'd call that alone a stain as much as adding to the growing pile of somewhat incomplete and incongruous versions of the anime as it will inevitably pertain to home releases. Original audio had the masters thrown out. I don't believe Ocean ever dubbed the Freeza arc. Funimation's release starts with new voices followed by new and old voice recordings followed in turn by all older voices. Then you even have resolution to worry about and cropping/grain if those things bug you. And finally you have Kai with the first few episodes censored in all regions and a soundtrack change partway through. (I'd imagine this expands to other releases as well, but I an unaware of their situation.)

Even then, this can still be rectified. I have no idea how they'd tackle it though.

Edit: Japanese Kai could've been the closet we'd have gotten to a consistent quality release. Didn't the Buu arc get a weird green filter though? I guess we still have the OST issue either way.

[Kuwabara]

Nowadays most animes are simulcasted by some company ike Crunchyroll, Viz Media or Funimation, and this makes them reach way more people.

I'd be very surprised if most anime fans watched new series this way.

[precita]

I think the main problem is Super is a way for the Dragonball franchise to be relevant and popular again but its just not doing that. Sure, merch sales are good but they were good even before we had new series coming out.

[Lord Beerus]

I think the main problem is Super is a way for the Dragonball franchise to be relevant and popular again but its just not doing that. Sure, merch sales are good but they were good even before we had new series coming out.

Merch sales were decent, but with the addition of Super, profits spiked. Hell, Dragon Ball is even making more money than One Piece. I don't think that's ever happened prior to Super's debut.

[Hellspawn28]

I also think it would be a great idea if they skipped to the Universe 6 arc if and when the show ends up on Toonami, the Super retellings of the movies are incredibly boring.

Chris Sabat mention on Twitter that they will dub Super from the very start. I always hated when they skip the first arc in GT back in 2003. Sure it was a bad story arc and one of the worst, but the recap episode is rather confusing and does not make much sense if you didn't see what happen before it.

[Kuwabara]

Obviously I think they should dub the entire series for consistency's sake, but the first two arcs of Super would be such a slog on Toonami. Air the two newest movies, then the Universe 6 arc. They can advertise the first two arcs of Super on DVD as the "Lost Episodes" all over again! That was always one of FUNimation's better ideas back in the day, and would be much more effective now considering Universe 6 is a lot more exciting than anything in GT.

[Kuririn Fan]

They've only really been telling really linear storylines so far. The ROF, doesn't have a lot of story telling for it even in Super.

This is also a big problem with Super that the original didn't have so hopefully it'll change with the next arc.

In terms of RF, they addressed the majority of complaints fans had with the movie so I'll give them credit for that cause it was worth the retelling unlike the BOG story which got worse in it's retelling.

Rewatch episodes 21-26, that's half of the arc and it's completely embarrassing. By far the worst episodes of Super, along with ep 5.

Obviously I think they should dub the entire series for consistency's sake, but the first two arcs of Super would be such a slog on Toonami. Air the two newest movies, then the Universe 6 arc. They can advertise the first two arcs of Super on DVD as the "Lost Episodes" all over again! That was always one of FUNimation's better ideas back in the day, and would be much more effective now considering Universe 6 is a lot more exciting than anything in GT.

That wasn't one of the better ideas. They were trying to mask GT's suckiness.

[SSJ YUSUKE]

The Dragonball franchise including all it's manga, anime, video games and merchandise is a cultural icon. Super is part of this, that it is why it exists and you can't view it in isolation without taking into account that it is part of a massive franchise. For example I watched GT, played the video games, etc because it was part of the Dragonball Franchise, Super is no different.
You cannot separate Super from the rest of the franchise, Super is making money because it is part of the dragonaball franchise, so if you want to talk about cultural impact you can't separate parts of the franchise.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Cause it's so needed to tell people that "GT fucking sucks" every time it's brought up

It's also so needed to tell people that "GT fucking sucks" is an opinion not a fact and the hate it gets is immensely blown out of proportion.

- Travis

[LuckyCat]

Air the two newest movies, then the Universe 6 arc. They can advertise the first two arcs of Super on DVD as the "Lost Episodes" all over again! That was always one of FUNimation's better ideas back in the day, and would be much more effective now considering Universe 6 is a lot more exciting than anything in GT.

I'd agree with this approach, but it would probably be too costly for Toonami to get the rights to air BoG and RoF in addition to Super (for now). Those were multi-million dollar movies in their own rights.

[Kuririn Fan]

Cause it's so needed to tell people that "GT fucking sucks" every time it's brought up

It's also so needed to tell people that "GT fucking sucks" is an opinion not a fact and the hate it gets is immensely blown out of proportion.

- Travis

It's a very popular opinion, at least. Why do you put your signature in all the posts, there is a special place for them.

[Analytic]

It's a very popular opinion, at least.

Appeal to popularity is a very weak argument. If a lot of people thought that the sky was green, would that be true? Of course not. Not to mention, most people don't even watch all of GT. They just assume it's bad because 1.) It's what a lot of other people do, and 2.) it's not written by Toriyama and thus "non-canon" by some people's arbitrary definitions.

I don't like GT too much, but I at least give it a chance and don't look for every possible way to attack it just because of bias against it.