"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ZombieVito]

The manga fight was pathetic. An insult to Piccolo fans.

The anime version on the other hand seems like a love letter to Piccolo fans. A bunch of old moves were used and the fight proved that battle powers aren't the all deciding factor in a fight, skill and smarts actually play a big role in the outcome.

It's one of the best fights in the tournament. It's not even debatable.

[LightBing]

Everything is debatable.

Back to the topic. The manga gave more merit to Cabba by highlighting his battle prowess. It didn't let the SSJ fight linger(it barely started). Building the character to be more than a simple Saiyan that turns SSJ.
It wasn't Cabba transforming that shined, it was him using the light to blind Vegeta and it's tactics.

Vegeta's fight was a beat-down, Hit feels more threatening here. Can't wait for Goku vs Hit, for a bunch of reasons.

[Neon Z]

The manga fight was pathetic. An insult to Piccolo fans.

The anime version on the other hand seems like a love letter to Piccolo fans. A bunch of old moves were used and the fight proved that battle powers aren't the all deciding factor in a fight, skill and smarts actually play a big role in the outcome.

It's one of the best fights in the tournament. It's not even debatable.

The fight wanted to prove that, but in the end it completely missed its goal. It just portrays a Piccolo who was seemingly stronger than Frost (blocking his attacks with one hand while charging a super attack with another! Stopping one of his blasts with that weak antenna beam) but went with a dumb strategy rather than just finishing the battle at once.

It had more fanservice for a Piccolo fan compared to the manga where they don't forget that Piccolo is supposed to be weaker when the fighting begins, but the whole scenario in the anime was nonsensical.

[namekiansaiyan]

The manga fight was pathetic. An insult to Piccolo fans.

The anime version on the other hand seems like a love letter to Piccolo fans. A bunch of old moves were used and the fight proved that battle powers aren't the all deciding factor in a fight, skill and smarts actually play a big role in the outcome.

It's one of the best fights in the tournament. It's not even debatable.

The fight wanted to prove that, but in the end it completely missed its goal. It just portrays a Piccolo who was seemingly stronger than Frost (blocking his attacks with one hand while charging a super attack with another! Stopping one of his blasts with that weak antenna beam) but went with a dumb strategy rather than just finishing the battle at once.

It had more fanservice for a Piccolo fan compared to the manga where they don't forget that Piccolo is supposed to be weaker when the fighting begins, but the whole scenario in the anime was nonsensical.

Nothing actually proves that Piccolo was weaker as surely Goku only said Piccolo had no chance because he lost himself. In both the manga and anime Piccolo was never in trouble. In the anime I think Piccolo used the Special Beam Cannon as he knew he could get the match done in 1 hit and did it so he did not have a long fight.

[HAIKEN-00]

I loved Vegeta's character progression during his fight with Cabba - both in the manga and in the anime

[dbzfan7]

I loved Vegeta's character progression during his fight with Cabba - both in the manga and in the anime

That would mean he had a point A to B growth. He didn't. This is more enjoying seeing how far Vegeta has come, rather than him actually having another change. He didn't grow or change any further since the Boo arc, as nothing since the Boo saga's end indicated he'd never do such a thing. Goku and for some reason Shenlong both considered him a good guy. Character progression/development would be rejecting Cabba completely, and then Cabba somehow winning him over, over the course of the arc or series. That would be development. This wasn't development. It's just how Vegeta is after his character development ended in the Boo arc. I don't see Vegeta's character at any point since the Boo arcs end, not basically acting the same way he did here.

[HAIKEN-00]

Nevertheless, we are able to see more insight on his character progression.

[dbzfan7]

Nevertheless, we are able to see more insight on his character progression.

Eh I guess maybe. We just get to see how his completed character arc, acts in this new situation. I still think progression is not the right word. That would mean change. Insight on his completed arc seems more accurate. We get more of an idea of how Vegeta's acts with his completed character arc, but it doesn't really feel like something he wouldn't do anymore. Kinda like how Vegeta acting goofy after the Bingo scene, no longer feels out of his element no more. It's something he does from time to time. Though that felt like more insight to his completed arc, as now we see how far Vegeta will go to get what he wants, when killing isn't a viable option.

[kinisking]

Thank god for Vegeta's development. He went from being an annoying prick in the cell saga, to the best character in super imo.

[LightBing]

This is progress for Vegeta's character, specifically what it means for him to be the Prince of Saiyans. This is way I think the Nappa murder callback is so great. Before he viewed all those who didn't live to the Saiyans standard as trash, even killing his companion of many years and one of the very few Saiyans alive. Now he trains them.
He could very well have defeated Cabba and said "don't do it again". This is why I disagree with dbzfan7 view, we had no way of knowing how this part of Vegeta's persona would be post-Boo. He still calls Goku, Kakarrot after all.

This isn't the same as Goku's habit of cultivating rivals, Vegeta objective appears to come specifically because Cabba is a Saiyan. He's has a clear bias, which is born from is role as Prince.
Which makes a possible visit to Salad, much more interesting.

[dbzfan7]

This is progress for Vegeta's character, specifically what it means for him to be the Prince of Saiyans. This is way I think the Nappa murder callback is so great. Before he viewed all those who didn't live to the Saiyans standard as trash, even killing his companion of many years and one of the very few Saiyans alive. Now he trains them.
He could very well have defeated Cabba and said "don't do it again". This is why I disagree with dbzfan7 view, we had no way of knowing how this part of Vegeta's persona would be post-Boo. He still calls Goku, Kakarrot after all.

This isn't the same as Goku's habit of cultivating rivals, Vegeta objective appears to come specifically because Cabba is a Saiyan. He's has a clear bias, which is born from is role as Prince.
Which makes a possible visit to Salad, much more interesting.

I'm gonna disagree of course. I don't see it as progress at all. Feels completely in line with his completed character arc, not really a change that his completed arc wouldn't reflect, rather than a development. He didn't struggle with the idea. Didn't really think about it hard. It was pretty much just a simple direction. Nothing beforehand showed he wouldn't do such a thing after being deemed a good guy. Which is why I personally believe it's a result of his complete arc, and nothing new. Beerus is really the only character I think who has any defined character arc and fleshing out, with Gohan being a complete maybe. There is no start, but merely an end of a character interaction. Vegeta seems the same to me before and after he met Cabba. It could set up an arc, but I don't see it right now. Cabba didn't show him or give him any new character change. We just got more insight to a completed character arc Z had finished. Point A doesn't seem to give to me the idea that he wouldn't do what Point B did. Especially with the incredibly short time span they had together. Development/Progression feels like the wrong word to me. Insight seems like the correct description as we learn something about Vegeta's changed self since the end of Boo and beginning of Super.

[LightBing]

My point is that this actual development isn't obvious. It falls in line, but it isn't something we would say, yeah this new Vegeta will definitely do that. That's why I call it progress, it may have happened three arcs ago but only now does it come into fruition. It's progress now, we just knew the seed not what would come of it.

To make another comparison, after Goku trained with Kami he started sparing his enemies. We weren't said anything about it, Goku just did it. We don't see him struggle with it. Wouldn't you call him sparing Piccolo progress? Even thought it originated from his time training with Kami.

I don't think progress is as straightforward as you say. We have to be made aware of progress, the bingo scene doesn't fit the bill since we had examples before, it just showed the extent of him swallowing his pride.

[dbzfan7]

My point is that this actual development isn't obvious. It falls in line, but it isn't something we would say, yeah this new Vegeta will definitely do that. That's why I call it progress, it may have happened three arcs ago but only now does it come into fruition. It's progress now, we just knew the seed not what would come of it.

To make another comparison, after Goku trained with Kami he started sparing his enemies. We weren't said anything about it, Goku just did it. We don't see him struggle with it. Wouldn't you call him sparing Piccolo progress? Even thought it originated from his time training with Kami.

I don't think progress is as straightforward as you say. We have to be made aware of progress, the bingo scene doesn't fit the bill since we had examples before, it just showed the extent of him swallowing his pride.

I don't think it does as Vegeta is no different before or after what he did. I don't consider Goku sparring Piccolo a good example as killing Piccolo, would mean killing God. Other than that you don't have a bad point. Though we don't know if it's character development, or just something behind the scenes that had Goku start doing that. We never get anything on why he started doing that, and it's all basically theories. With Vegeta though he already did the ultimate swallowing of his pride in the Boo arc. He was going to not only fuse with Goku, who he really didn't want to, but give up his very existence. After sacrificing his very being to never separate from Goku, nothing is out of the question or too extreme. No dancing or silly antics compares to ceasing to exist to do a solid for his family.

Could it be progress? Maybe. I don't deny that. But it's not yet. So at the moment, I call it insight to a completed arc. Vegeta before and after meeting Cabba isn't any different. However he could very well have started an arc with Cabba that hasn't gone underway yet. Next time we see Cabba, we might get something. There could be seeds for a character arc, but at the moment, I don't see any character arc/development just yet.

[Abel Taylor]

So, in the opening of Super, Cabba did kicks and stuff and he didn't really use his legs in the anime. But, he did use them a lot in Toyotaro's manga. So, maybe hit will use that finger beam in the comic? Or maybe it was just a move to fill the animation. It's cool that Hit didn't use one chi attack during the whole tournament, but at the same time, it'd be awesome if he did that thing he did in the opening.

[Araki]

So, in the opening of Super, Cabba did kicks and stuff and he didn't really use his legs in the anime.

He did use his legs in the anime, it was just more subtle. There's even a moment when he double kicks Vegeta into the air.

[kinisking]

My point is that this actual development isn't obvious. It falls in line, but it isn't something we would say, yeah this new Vegeta will definitely do that. That's why I call it progress, it may have happened three arcs ago but only now does it come into fruition. It's progress now, we just knew the seed not what would come of it.

To make another comparison, after Goku trained with Kami he started sparing his enemies. We weren't said anything about it, Goku just did it. We don't see him struggle with it. Wouldn't you call him sparing Piccolo progress? Even thought it originated from his time training with Kami.

I don't think progress is as straightforward as you say. We have to be made aware of progress, the bingo scene doesn't fit the bill since we had examples before, it just showed the extent of him swallowing his pride.

I don't think it does as Vegeta is no different before or after what he did. I don't consider Goku sparring Piccolo a good example as killing Piccolo, would mean killing God. Other than that you don't have a bad point. Though we don't know if it's character development, or just something behind the scenes that had Goku start doing that. We never get anything on why he started doing that, and it's all basically theories. With Vegeta though he already did the ultimate swallowing of his pride in the Boo arc. He was going to not only fuse with Goku, who he really didn't want to, but give up his very existence. After sacrificing his very being to never separate from Goku, nothing is out of the question or too extreme. No dancing or silly antics compares to ceasing to exist to do a solid for his family.

Could it be progress? Maybe. I don't deny that. But it's not yet. So at the moment, I call it insight to a completed arc. Vegeta before and after meeting Cabba isn't any different. However he could very well have started an arc with Cabba that hasn't gone underway yet. Next time we see Cabba, we might get something. There could be seeds for a character arc, but at the moment, I don't see any character arc/development just yet.

I was completely against what you were saying until you said that. Made me think about Vegito and how much of a sacrifice it was to Vegeta completely differently

[DragonHermit]

Does anyone if Toyo's manga is inked by hand and then scanned, or is it inked digitally? Also, what are the industry standards for other mangas today?

[Abel Taylor]

So, in the opening of Super, Cabba did kicks and stuff and he didn't really use his legs in the anime.

He did use his legs in the anime, it was just more subtle. There's even a moment when he double kicks Vegeta into the air.

It wasn't much though. The opening made it seemed like there would be a lot of kicks, and since some drawings were thrown out for the show and Toyotaro's manga is sometimes a storyboard for the anime... maybe they would have had the kicks, but didn't.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Seems that Toyotaro's Super manga will be serialized in the Korean magazine IQ Jump, starting in July.
http://cafe.naver.com/bwiqjump/2853

[kinisking]

Seems that Toyotaro's Super manga will be serialized in the Korean magazine IQ Jump, starting in July.
http://cafe.naver.com/bwiqjump/2853

Does this mean that it'll come out more or on a different date? Or are they just switching distributors.