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Post by Geekdom101 » Mon May 30, 2016 7:48 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:I just don't care about these guys anymore and don't watch them, other than MistareFusion and TFS. I guess that shows how far i have come.
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Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Mon May 30, 2016 11:47 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:I just don't care about these guys anymore and don't watch them, other than MistareFusion and TFS. I guess that shows how far i have come.
Don´t try to pretend that makes you intelligent.
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Post by Kuririn Fan » Tue May 31, 2016 12:30 am

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I just don't care about these guys anymore and don't watch them, other than MistareFusion and TFS. I guess that shows how far i have come.
Don´t try to pretend that makes you intelligent.
But it does. It shows how far have i come. I cant believe i was wasting my time with these guys. They are either dub-only fans, never read the manga or the knowledge in general is nothing special, and they are on YOUTUBE and i dont have to say nothing about comments on that thing, It was just a waste of time, I'm above that now.
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Kuririn Fan wrote:I just don't care about these guys anymore and don't watch them, other than MistareFusion and TFS. I guess that shows how far i have come.
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Dont worry, bro, i still respect you and YouTube needs someone like you to show all those casuals the right way.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Tue May 31, 2016 1:09 am

Kuririn Fan wrote: But it does. It shows how far have i come. I cant believe i was wasting my time with these guys. They are either dub-only fans, never read the manga or the knowledge in general is nothing special, and they are on YOUTUBE and i dont have to say nothing about comments on that thing, It was just a waste of time, I'm above that now.
Dont worry, bro, i still respect you and YouTube needs someone like you to show all those casuals the right way.
Wow. That's really elitist. Don't going around acting like you're "SOOOOOOO much better than these console peasant, casual, pleb, cis scum".

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue May 31, 2016 6:46 am

Kuririn Fan, you definitely need to work on the way you express these thoughts. There's probably something interesting in there, but it's not really coming out.

It's tough because the last thing we should be doing here is slandering a whole bunch of other content creators, but if you can carefully and constructively explain why you think some of that stuff isn't worth your time, and instead offer up some alternatives (as you've done with Gaffer's stuff right there), that's absolutely what people are looking for.
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Post by Speedster » Tue May 31, 2016 9:14 am

VegettoEX wrote:It's tough because the last thing we should be doing here is slandering a whole bunch of other content creators, but if you can carefully and constructively explain why you think some of that stuff isn't worth your time, and instead offer up some alternatives (as you've done with Gaffer's stuff right there), that's absolutely what people are looking for.
To be fair he did say that it is due to the ignorance most of these "content creators" constantly exhibit in their videos - an ignorance that stems from the fact they haven't read the manga or watched the subbed version of the anime.

But dub mistakes is not the only issue for me. This is the least of the issues actually. Some of these Youtubers haven't even watched the anime (dub or sub) enough to at least remember the events that happened, let alone remember the details. They create videos with the minimum of effort, just off the top of their head from what they remember while providing very very little meaningful input or analysis from their part. Their videos are most of the time either just ramblings over very poorly constructed "theories" (that ignore major events not just details in the translation) or speculation shit.

Another thing is the content repetition. Dragonball is a huge manga/anime and there are literally tons of interesting topics to discuss and analyse. The fact that one Youtuber makes a video and five others make the exact same thing on the same week speaks volumes about their imagination. Not to mention the "news/spoilers reporting" and the subsequent speculation follow-ups that dominate most of the content these channels create since pretty much the announcement of the movie Fukkatsu no F. Ah and everyone became a reviewer now too! And what do they do in these episodic reviews? They literally just recap what happened in the episode! Probably they should name their videos Dragonball Super Episode xx recap instead of review as there is no reviewing going on at all. And they are so keen to have their worthless "reviews" out as soon as possible that they don't even wait for the subs to come out first or even wait to read the episode summary here on Kanzenshuu. They just read the tweets from Herms (so they get those parts right at least) but Herms doesn't tweet the entire episode and whenever they fill the blanks themselves it shows badly as more often than not they get something wrong.

Of course they don't care about quality. Most of these Youtubers are just view-wh*r*s and nothing more. One of those Youtubers was making a Q&A the other day (which by the way are the most click-baiting and the least researched videos they make) and during the recording he accessed one of the videos he made a week earlier. It was a speculation video - it got like 32K views by that point and the video had an estimated revenue of 82 dollars. As long as Youtube rewards quantity over quality, quality on Youtube will never improve and anything really good that exist there usually involves some form of fan-funding.

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Post by TekTheNinja » Tue May 31, 2016 9:33 am

Most of the Youtubers listed though aren't that... Except ForneverWorld with his clickbait and other annoying tendencies. :|

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Post by Geekdom101 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:45 pm

Speedster wrote:
VegettoEX wrote: It was a speculation video - it got like 32K views by that point and the video had an estimated revenue of 82 dollars. As long as Youtube rewards quantity over quality, quality on Youtube will never improve and anything really good that exist there usually involves some form of fan-funding.
I'm not going to dissect everything that you said because I do not have time, however this is statement in particular incorrect. Apps like Socialblade, TubeBuddy, and VidIQ make estimates about a Youtuber's income that are wrong each and every time. According to Socialblade, I'm making 80,000 a year. That's nonsense. I wish I was, but its nonsense. NEVER look at any "estimated" revenue. Youtube has script policies against sharing this information and thus no app can ever access it. The ONLY way to know is to ask the creator themselves privately.
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Post by Zephyr » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:01 pm

Wait, so these lists are made by popularity polls? That explains why so many are filled with questionable choices.

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Post by Geekdom101 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:48 am

Zephyr wrote:Wait, so these lists are made by popularity polls? That explains why so many are filled with questionable choices.
But see that can't be it because if that were the case, Blackenfist would've been on there and Rhymestyle wouldn't have been an honorable mention. Also KaggyFilms is an over 100K channel and wasn't even mentioned. These guys just jumbled shit up and took a guess. They didn't even watch the videos.
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Post by Ohms » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:14 am

I expressed my thoughts about this list before as a PM but I'll rework it for a forum post.

Personally I don't think the list is relevant past the exposure it gives. I mean it's neat to have a list on this but I think these kinds of lists turn friendly communities into competitive ones for no reason. I don't think watch mojo really care about the content of their lists, they just want clicks and rush their research to pump out as many videos as possible.

Still it's cool that most Dragon Ball YouTube seem chill and professional about it. If I had made the list I'd have put Lance (Mistarefusion) at number 1 and Geekdom101 at number 2 as I just love info driven vids. OF course I love TFS too but I don't really put them in the same category.
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Post by Geekdom101 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:28 pm

Ohms wrote:I expressed my thoughts about this list before as a PM but I'll rework it for a forum post.

Personally I don't think the list is relevant past the exposure it gives. I mean it's neat to have a list on this but I think these kinds of lists turn friendly communities into competitive ones for no reason. I don't think watch mojo really care about the content of their lists, they just want clicks and rush their research to pump out as many videos as possible.

Still it's cool that most Dragon Ball YouTube seem chill and professional about it. If I had made the list I'd have put Lance (Mistarefusion) at number 1 and Geekdom101 at number 2 as I just love info driven vids. OF course I love TFS too but I don't really put them in the same category.
Gaffer Tape wrote:it was based on. I was 29. Not too bad, I guess...
I wish I knew about this poll!
The poll was crooked. Andrew Anime Toys was upvoted and we were all downvoted because somebody told their Facebook group to go in there and do that. The entire thing was extremely crooked. Bottom line - in the ORIGINAL POLL, BEFORE Fornever asked for votes, it was TFS 1, Qaaman 2, me 3. Had Qaaman and I done videos or Rhymestyle asking for votes, we would've smoked them and the fact we made it so high without asking for votes was very kind of them.
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Post by Speedster » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:55 pm

Geekdom101 wrote:Apps like Socialblade, TubeBuddy, and VidIQ make estimates about a Youtuber's income that are wrong each and every time. According to Socialblade, I'm making 80,000 a year. That's nonsense. I wish I was, but its nonsense. NEVER look at any "estimated" revenue. Youtube has script policies against sharing this information and thus no app can ever access it. The ONLY way to know is to ask the creator themselves privately.
If a Youtuber makes less money per video than the lower estimate Social Blade predicts that proves my point even further as it further establishes that the Youtube system rewards quantity over quality. Quality videos take time to make and Youtube doesn't care how much time a video is required to be produced. If you want to make money out of Youtube why spend 10 days to produce one quality video, and not make 20 low quality ones and upload garbage twice per day? This video from altshiftx explains the concept well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaOR-T7Cfs

Even the metric of retention or watched minutes is quite useless as long as mindless subs/fanboys are willing to watch crap videos. Basically as soon as ad a Youtuber comes to acquire a large number of subscribers then their videos will be watched regardless of quality (probably not entirely regardless but it certainly doesn't need to be above mediocre). Another thing is that some Youtubers at the early stages of their channel development used to go for quality but then complacency and greed settled in and they dropped the quality at the expense of quantity.

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Post by Geekdom101 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:43 pm

Speedster wrote:
Geekdom101 wrote:Apps like Socialblade, TubeBuddy, and VidIQ make estimates about a Youtuber's income that are wrong each and every time. According to Socialblade, I'm making 80,000 a year. That's nonsense. I wish I was, but its nonsense. NEVER look at any "estimated" revenue. Youtube has script policies against sharing this information and thus no app can ever access it. The ONLY way to know is to ask the creator themselves privately.
If a Youtuber makes less money per video than the lower estimate Social Blade predicts that proves my point even further as it further establishes that the Youtube system rewards quantity over quality. Quality videos take time to make and Youtube doesn't care how much time a video is required to be produced. If you want to make money out of Youtube why spend 10 days to produce one quality video, and not make 20 low quality ones and upload garbage twice per day? This video from altshiftx explains the concept well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaOR-T7Cfs

Even the metric of retention or watched minutes is quite useless as long as mindless subs/fanboys are willing to watch crap videos. Basically as soon as ad a Youtuber comes to acquire a large number of subscribers then their videos will be watched regardless of quality (probably not entirely regardless but it certainly doesn't need to be above mediocre). Another thing is that some Youtubers at the early stages of their channel development used to go for quality but then complacency and greed settled in and they dropped the quality at the expense of quantity.
I agree with pretty much that you just said. When I came to Youtube, I wanted to be completely different from everybody else because I felt the videos were all mundane nonsense from fans who have only watched the dub and were clearly misinformed whereas I come from the era and the perspective that the majority of people here on this board are from, rather than blind fanboyish ignorance that SOME subscribe to. A big chunk of people on that list are good people who I've gotten to know personally and have showed them a better and more creative way to do content. Unfortunately as you stated, Youtube often (not always) rewards clickbaiters and misinformers, despite the vast majority of them violating Youtube's policies. Rhymestyle is an avid reader of Herms twitter now whereas he wasn't before. UnrealENTGaming now checks Kanzenshuu for his sources. Those are the two biggest "DBZTUBERS" other than TFS. A lot of them fact check with me now as well as Kanzenshuu. So regardless of anything, the community IS MUCH MORE INFORMED than it was before and my goal to unite the community HAS worked to an extent, but unfortunately there will always be bad apples in the bunch.

As far as people developing their channels, I agree with you on that too. The idea is to be creative and unique and different, not to copy everybody else and as you said, the greed has DEFINITELY settled in lately. Channels nowadays are just doing Super Reviews and News Updates, which get swallowed up in the search feeds once me or Rhymestyle do them, so its pointless. I want everybody to be more creative and I've spoken to some of them about it, but some just don't care. So I just do me. As long as misinformation isn't being spread, I can sleep at night.
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Post by Silkman3003 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 12:03 pm

Only people from that list I actually enjoy watching are Qaaman, and DBN. Everyone else...ehhhh

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Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:05 pm

I think it would have been better if the list was in no particular order tbh.

I'm a fan of both Saywer and Fornever but they shouldn't be one the list.
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Post by BluePiccolo » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:38 am

You misspelled #9 :) Anyway, LSM should've been higher on the rankings, if the criteria was content quality, not popularity.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:39 pm

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:49 pm

Why is Fornever and Unreal above Geekdom?? Seriously? He should've been at least top 3 lol

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Post by Geekdom101 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:53 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:Why is Fornever and Unreal above Geekdom?? Seriously? He should've been at least top 3 lol
You mean Top 1?

Nah I'm kidding. Very kind of you bro <3
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