HeroR wrote:I am going have to disagree with the first part. Goku is special. The whole, underdog who came into greatness through hard work, was more or less thrown away by the Namek Saga and never looked back. Vegeta calls Goku gifted and a genius during the Cell Games and says that Goku has an inner talent that he lacks, which is why he allowed Babidi to turn himself into a Majin. In Battle of Gods he had Beerus calling him a rare prodigy. The only times Goku really played the underdog was during the Saiyan Saga and against Freeza, who was the prodigy who never had to train for his power. Other than those times, Goku has always been the most gifted fighter outside of his sons and present Trunks.
But see, that's different. Being a prodigy, a fighting genius, isn't the same as if he had a father who was the legendary Super Saiyajin and Goku had it in his blood all along. Those are two very different things. And we always knew Goku was a genius when it comes to fighting, it's part of his character.
Maybe the insane training he went through going to Namek, the desperate situation he was undergoing there, we would have seen all that - and the impact those things had on his transformation - in a different light if we knew his father was a Super Saiyajin first.
Slam Dunk's Sakuragi Hanamichi is another perfect example of how an underdog can be a natural genius and still be an underdog.
Also, as an One Piece fan, Luffy is not a straight example of bloodline equal greatness. In fact, the entire premise of One Piece is how your blood family doesn't make you who you are and how great you become is not only a choice, you have to put real effect into it. Luffy didn't know or care who his father is and almost all his power comes from hard work and the strength of those around him, and Ace is actually haunted by who his father was.
Luffy's grandfather is a legendary Marine hero, his father is the most wanted man in the world, his deceased brother was son of the pirate king, his another brother is the #2 Revolutionary and one of the strongest men in the world. He was trained by the pirate king's legendary right hand man. He's a protégé of one of the four most powerful pirates and an Emperor. The so-called most beautiful woman in the world fell in love and wants to marry Luffy.
Luffy had Gold Roger's Straw hat from day one and we're often reminded he's following the same path, going through similar developments and to the same places Roger went.
I mean, really..as much as i love One Piece, it's hard to deny Luffy fits the "destined to greatness" trope. (which isn't all about genealogy, as a i said, that's just one possible part of it). He's even a D, one of the few people destined to shake the world! Even in the fanbase there were often discussions about him becoming too much of a Gary Stu. Luffy being aware or not isn't the point.
Also, Eren from Attack on Titan isn't really special compared to other people who have powers similar to him. In fact, he only got as far as he did because he's surrounded by people who are more talented than him.
Yeah, but if not for the fact they put a titan inside him, he would be just the average soldier. That's what made him special in the first place.
In the end, neither EOB or Minus, hurts Goku's character, unless you are one of those people who think lineage makes the hero. Goku doesn't know or care who his parents are, so what they are doesn't effect Goku as a character since he is who he is as he will be quick to tell you.
..why would i think that? I said exactly the opposite, that Goku is a great main character because he didn't come from any special lineage. And again, being a "chosen one" isn't limited to genealogy, as i pointed out
twice, and just again with the Luffy situations.
I think you're not getting that the main character knowing or caring what their parents were is
completely irrelevant if he was just following a path he was destined to follow or was born special. That's not what's being discussed.
