"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kagari]

Ah sorry I only noticed the first part. Hold on.

Thank you!!

*Holds on in anticipation.*
I saw "Future Bulma" along with Gokû and Vegeta and something about the time machine's fuel.

Not a full translation or anything but it says a man called "Black" suddenly appears. Trunks tries to resist but the power of a Super Saiyan is no match. Future Bulma becomes determined to borrow the strength of Goku and Vegeta of the past. It'll take a half a year to refuel the time machine but standing in their way is the formidable Black.

[Chuquita]

Half a year to refuel.
Many thanks!

[dbzfan7]

Ah sorry I only noticed the first part. Hold on.

Thank you!!

*Holds on in anticipation.*
I saw "Future Bulma" along with Gokû and Vegeta and something about the time machine's fuel.

Not a full translation or anything but it says a man called "Black" suddenly appears. Trunks tries to resist but the power of a Super Saiyan is no match. Future Bulma becomes determined to borrow the strength of Goku and Vegeta of the past. It'll take a half a year to refuel the time machine but standing in their way is the formidable Black.

Wasn't the last thing Future Bulma was told was that Goku is dead, and staying dead according to Trunks stories. How would she have any idea he is alive now?

[Kagari]

Good question. Seems like a big plot hole waiting to happen.

[Alruneia]

Not a full translation or anything but it says a man called "Black" suddenly appears. Trunks tries to resist but the power of a Super Saiyan is no match. Future Bulma becomes determined to borrow the strength of Goku and Vegeta of the past. It'll take a half a year to refuel the time machine but standing in their way is the formidable Black.

Wait, really? So Black really is a person, like I thought?

[From page 838] Goku Black (it's from ゴクウブラック, so I assume it's in that order) might be a villain named Black using a Goku form.

Seems like the "Evil Goku" thing won't be played as straight as some of us were afraid of, then. Now I'm interested.

I don't know how Future Bulma would come to the conclusion that they'd need Goku and Vegeta's help. If she said Gohan and Vegeta, that'd make sense, considering what they know about the Cell arc, but... they don't... shouldn't know that Goku's been revived.

[ArchedThunder]

Guess this means we're gonna have a few episodes set in the future if they have to charge the time machine.

Good question. Seems like a big plot hole waiting to happen.

Doesn't sound like that big of a plot hole honestly. Maybe she just assumes they'd bring him back or something, or maybe she doesn't actually say Goku.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The arc hasn't even begun and it looks like a plothole.Yeah how the hell does Future Blooma know that Gokuu is alive?

- Travis

[Araki]

Geez, people love jumping on 'plot hole" trains even before the thing airs. Sigh.
Bulma could tell Trunks to go back and try to resurrect Goku, for all we know. We don't even know if she really mentions Goku by name. This is not supposed to go on specifics like that, it's just an introduction.

Here's a translation:
The episode's plot will start in the future when Earth is free from the Androids' domination. A man named "Black" suddenly appears, and Trunks tries to defend himself. He is no match, even in his Super Saiyan form. Bulma is resolved to make a time machine and ask for help from Goku and Vegeta from the past, but after half a year, she only accumulated enough fuel for the time machine to make a one-way trip. Then, Black appears again before Bulma and Trunks.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... al/.102813

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I get the feeling some of that's not as accurately translated as it could be (The "F in Fukkatsu" all over again). After all, they should already have a time machine.

[dbzfan7]

Good question. Seems like a big plot hole waiting to happen.

And wouldn't at least to Trunks knowledge since Goku is dead, for Gohan to essentially to be the person to go to? Since he was the guy who killed Cell, the strongest person he was last aware of? Man they just love saying fuck Gohan .

[Kagari]

Good question. Seems like a big plot hole waiting to happen.

And wouldn't at least to Trunks knowledge since Goku is dead, for Gohan to essentially to be the person to go to? Since he was the guy who killed Cell, the strongest person he was last aware of? Man they just love saying fuck Gohan .

It could be different in the actual episode but the summary there specifically lists Goku and Vegeta.

[kidhero1000]

The arc hasn't even begun and it looks like a plothole.Yeah how the hell does Future Blooma know that Gokuu is alive?

- Travis

It's not like it's unusual for the series to have plotholes, even the story arc the boy from the future appeared in had it's share of plotholes

[Pannaliciour]

"Bulma is resolved to make a time machine and ask for help from Goku and Vegeta from the past, but after half a year, she only accumulated enough fuel for the time machine to make a one-way trip.

So half a year is past since the androids and cell where killed in future trunks timeline?

"Then, Black appears again before Bulma and Trunks"

So mister black appears BEFORE Trunks and Bulma do in the time line where Goku and Vegeta are alive? How does he do that? He steals the time machine? He can travel on his own?

And Black appears AGAIN? Does that mean he was already once in the current time line.

Btw i read it as Bulma and Trunks are coming to the current time line?

[kidhero1000]

"Bulma is resolved to make a time machine and ask for help from Goku and Vegeta from the past, but after half a year, she only accumulated enough fuel for the time machine to make a one-way trip.

So half a year is past since the androids and cell where killed in future trunks timeline?

"Then, Black appears again before Bulma and Trunks"

So mister black appears BEFORE Trunks and Bulma do in the time line where Goku and Vegeta are alive? How does he do that? He steals the time machine? He can travel on his own?

And Black appears AGAIN? Does that mean he was already once in the current time line.

Btw i read it as Bulma and Trunks are coming to the current time line?

Peeps are being too formal with this Evil Goku just call him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkjvMs3t9GE

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The arc hasn't even begun and it looks like a plothole.Yeah how the hell does Future Blooma know that Gokuu is alive?

- Travis

It's not like it's unusual for the series to have plotholes, even the story arc the boy from the future appeared in had it's share of plotholes

Yeah you are right.

- Travis

[TekTheNinja]

Which even the characters are barely phased by, so why should we care as an audience?

I could say the exact same thing for the moment "where we found out Goku stomped his grandfather to death" that some people are trying to make sound hilariously more dark and dramatic than it actually was, here. It was just a couple lines and there was no attempt of making too much out of it. A passerby would think we see Goku stomping his grandfather screaming in despair while blood splatters all over, then the cast goes through a breakdown.

In fact even when Goku learns about it many years later, it's quickly shoved aside and results in...nothing. This just shows how biased people can be.

To be fair, I wasn't the one who brought that up. The moments I brought up were treated pretty seriously, unlike anything in Super.

[Kanassa]

What I find funny is that people think the girl by trunks is pan I mean come on gohan died in future trunks timeline therefore her existence nulled also why would she use a gun lol.

Well, I wouldn't put it past Toriyama to go ''Oh, yeah. Gohan totally went and gave Videl some powerpolling action and had a baby... He just never told Trunks about it before dying...Yeah..."
But, that's definitely Mai.

[Majin Jator]

Wasn't the last thing Future Bulma was told was that Goku is dead, and staying dead according to Trunks stories. How would she have any idea he is alive now?

Well, she knows that dragon balls still exists in that timeline, so resurrection is an option. And she was used to think about Goku as the one saving the day, not Gohan.
I mean, sure, that's probably a blunder, but one that can be easily justified.

[sailorspazz]

The Anime News Network translation isn't too inaccurate, though as some have already mentioned, there are some issues with the minor details. There's no mention in those descriptions of Bulma creating a time machine, only about getting it fueled up (since, yeah, they already have one). It does mention her wanting to get help from the past versions of Gokuu and Vegeta, but the type of "and" used here (ya) implies that others in addition to them could be included (so maybe she just wanted the Z Warriors, but for promotional materials they chose to phrase it as Gokuu and Vegeta, since they're the main two guys). Until we see what she actually says in the episode, we don't know if she asked specifically for Gokuu, even though as far as she knows he's dead. And finally, it doesn't mention Black appearing before Bulma and Trunks "again", but they might have chosen that phrasing since Black had appeared before Trunks at an earlier time.

And the producer's comments confirm that it's Mai in that artwork, and to look forward to her having an important role in this arc.

So Black appearing before Trunks and Bulma, followed by Trunks making a trip to the past without Bulma, makes me super worried that Gokuu Black killed Bulma Although he did go to the past without her before, so it's not like this'd be the first time, but I just have a bad feeling she won't survive.

[ArchedThunder]

The Anime News Network isn't too inaccurate, though as some have already mentioned, there are some issues with the minor details. There's no mention in those descriptions of Bulma creating a time machine, only about getting it fueled up (since, yeah, they already have one). It does mention her wanting to get help from the past versions of Gokuu and Vegeta, but the type of "and" used here (ya) implies that others in addition to them could be included (so maybe she just wanted the Z Warriors, but for promotional materials they chose to phrase it as Gokuu and Vegeta, since they're the main two guys). Until we see what she actually says in the episode, we don't know if she asked specifically for Gokuu, even though last she heard he was dead. And finally, it doesn't mention Black appearing before Bulma and Trunks "again", but they might have just chosen that phrasing since Black had appeared before Trunks at an earlier time.

And the producer's comments confirm that it's Mai in that artwork, and to look forward to her having an important role in this arc.

So Black appearing before Trunks and Bulma, followed by Trunks making a trip to the past without Bulma, makes me super worried that Gokuu Black killed Bulma

I'm guess Bulma just says they need help from "the others in the past".