"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

The new arc is called Future Trunks arc, so it would be ridiculous if he comes to 'our" time just to get help about Goku Black and then vanish on the sidelines.

Yeah I doubt that would happen, it would be like promoting a tournament with 5 main fighters but only having 2 fight.

Resurrection 'F' for some reason, I would call that an OOC moment.

Freeza on the ground telling him to finish it only for Vegeta to turn his back and walk away would've been great character development.

Then he'd get mad and blow up the planet and the movie/arc would end the way they did.

[Cetra]

Resurrection 'F' for some reason, I would call that an OOC moment.

Freeza on the ground telling him to finish it only for Vegeta to turn his back and walk away would've been great character development.

Then he'd get mad and blow up the planet and the movie/arc would end the way they did.

I think Freeza is more the cowardly guy who would never say "finish it". But of course it could have been written in a way that Freeza would rather die than keep living with the shame (even though one could argue that in hell he has to live through that again).

[HeroR]

Freeza on the ground telling him to finish it only for Vegeta to turn his back and walk away would've been great character development.

Then he'd get mad and blow up the planet and the movie/arc would end the way they did.

I think Freeza is more the cowardly guy who would never say "finish it". But of course it could have been written in a way that Freeza would rather die than keep living with the shame (even though one could argue that in hell he has to live through that again).

Freeze telling Vegeta to finish is a big OOC moment. Freeza is a cowardly bastard who would never allow himself to be killed by a lower being and sent back to the torture of hell. This is the same person who begged for his life at Goku's feet and then tried to shoot Goku in the back after he's shown mercy. Freeza isn't honorable enough to just be killed, especially by Vegeta. Freeza given Vegeta the middle finger by blowing up the planet under his feet is Freeza.

[Big Black Sayian]

The article also mentions that Black wants to wipe out Mankind. I'm calling it now, Black will Potara-fuse with Goku, thus "Goku Black".
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So is possible that Goku Black is just our main timeline Goku fused with somebody evil?
That actually makes things worse for our cast or better because it puts Goku out of the equation on the arc will probably focus on Vegeta and Future Trunks.
Edit: I gues Toriyama forgot he give a bad guy the codename Black :p
Unless this is the same guy....

[Cetra]

I do not know if you wanted to write that to me or sintzu.

[alakazam^]

Saying the writer is right by default is bull for me. By that logic any person in-charge of anything is always right just by virtue of being the guy in-charge. Your further comment that complaining about this stuff is pointless is precisely my issue with this mentality. By that logic, anyone complaining about any guy who's in-charge and who has the final say in anything is pointless. I don't care if Toriyama is the original creator, I don't care if he's the guy who's ideas come to life, if its a bad or poorly executed one, I will call it that and maintain it shouldn't have been done like that. Just as I'll readily defend an idea or execution of an idea of his that's properly done.

But complaining IS pointless. It achieves nothing and exposes everyone to unneeded negativity. I'm talking about a mangaka and a quirky story he came up with, not a CEO of a company or the President of a country.

How has you being "The resident president of the Super bitching fan club 5 years running with a major in bitchology" improved your life? Does it make you happier? I'm gonna guess no. You see? Complaining is a waste of time, episode 5 still exists.

[HeroR]

I do not know if you wanted to write that to me or sintzu.

I messed up the quotes. Fixed in my edit.

[sintzu]

I think Freeza is more the cowardly guy who would never say "finish it". But of course it could have been written in a way that Freeza would rather die than keep living with the shame (even though one could argue that in hell he has to live through that again).

Anything would be fine as long as it leads to Vegeta walking away.

A low class Saiyan beat you, my son beat you & now I beat you so go live with that shame for the rest of your life.

How Toriyama missed this opportunity is beyond me.

[Cetra]

How has you being "The resident president of the Super bitching fan club 5 years running with a major in bitchology" improved or life? Does it make you happier? I'm gonna guess no. You see? Complaining is a waste of time, episode 5 still exists.

That is a bit unfair. Episode 5 did indeed get a fix.

[sintzu]

Freeza given Vegeta the middle finger by blowing up the planet under his feet is Freeza.

I'm not against him blowing up the planet but I think at that point Vegeta grew enough to walk away after beating him.

[HeroR]

How has you being "The resident president of the Super bitching fan club 5 years running with a major in bitchology" improved or life? Does it make you happier? I'm gonna guess no. You see? Complaining is a waste of time, episode 5 still exists.

That is a bit unfair. Episode 5 did indeed get a fix.

It was mostly fixed because the team drawing the episode had a major meltdown and the episode was more or less a beta. People complained about other episodes that haven't been touched or only have little touch ups. Not to say you shouldn't be mad when you're upset about something and changes can be made if the outcry is loud enough. Constant complaining is the main problem, especially if you're complaining about a produce that most people like.

[Cetra]

The article also mentions that Black wants to wipe out Mankind. I'm calling it now, Black will Potara-fuse with Goku, thus "Goku Black".

If that is the case I just hope they explain what the person actually is:

1. A new consciousness, so neither Goku nor the other guy (which would be pointless then because the other guy would not have anything from that).
2. The 2nd Fusionists consciousness which dominated Goku's consciousness.

[HeroR]

The article also mentions that Black wants to wipe out Mankind. I'm calling it now, Black will Potara-fuse with Goku, thus "Goku Black".
.

So is possible that Goku Black is just our main timeline Goku fused with somebody evil?
That actually makes things worse for our cast or better because it puts Goku out of the equation on the arc will probably focus on Vegeta and Future Trunks.
Edit: I gues Toriyama forgot he give a bad guy the codename Black :p
Unless this is the same guy....

I am leaning towards the fusion theory, except Black Goku doesn't look like a fused being. He just looks like Goku with an evil smirk. Where a fusion, the character takes on the visual characteristics of the people. Unless Black is another version of Goku, Goku shouldn't look like himself. They could just be using Black as a kind of code name or they're too lazy just to write Black Goku.

[alakazam^]

The article also mentions that Black wants to wipe out Mankind. I'm calling it now, Black will Potara-fuse with Goku, thus "Goku Black".

So is possible that Goku Black is just our main timeline Goku fused with somebody evil?
That actually makes things worse for our cast or better because it puts Goku out of the equation on the arc will probably focus on Vegeta and Future Trunks.
Edit: I gues Toriyama forgot he give a bad guy the codename Black :p
Unless this is the same guy....

Everything's possible at this point but them just calling him "Black" and the Potara in the picture makes me think fusion is a very strong possibility. If he actually fuses with Goku I hope he tries to go after Monaka

[sintzu]

That actually makes things worse for our cast or better because it puts Goku out of the equation on the arc will probably focus on Vegeta and Future Trunks.

It makes everything a lot worse cause Goku always had their backs when things got bad so if this is what's going on than it'll be the 1st time Goku isn't there with them.

Fans complain a lot about the characters' young appearances so the stress they'll go through by relying on Vegeta to save the day will make them look 10-20 years older than they currently are.

[alakazam^]

That is a bit unfair. Episode 5 did indeed get a fix.

That's true but they were probably planning it from the get-go.

[kinisking]

So Trunks still only has SSJ, looks like he ain't gonna do shit, since he should be leagues weaker than even Gohan. Unless he gets God Ki or something, which if that is the actual case, hopefully everyone will acquire it as well.

It's always been debatable whether Gohan, Goten and Trunks could go through the ritual and control SSG and God ki, but i don't see why Future Trunks couldn't, assuming he kept an interest in training and all. In fact, in his situation, there's no reason not to try it.

Anyway, the new arc is called Future Trunks arc, so it would be ridiculous if he comes to 'our" time just to get help about Goku Black and then vanish on the sidelines.

I don't think it's debatable for the gohan, goten and trunks being able to obtain God ki from the ritual. Goku is a prodigy, but they are even more so.

[HeroR]

I don't think it's debatable for the gohan, goten and trunks being able to obtain God ki from the ritual. Goku is a prodigy, but they are even more so.

It is debatable simply because we don't know and it is never brought up. We also don't know why exactly Goku absorb godhood, outside of Beerus calling him a prodigy. In Super, not even Beerus understand it. There seems to be an underline theme that although Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are geniuses who can become the strongest in the universe, Goku is just special.

[namekiansaiyan]

If Black Goku is the only Black character then I want it to be the Goku in the current timelime as that would make the story less predictable and interesting. I still want there to be other Black characters though such as Vegeta and Piccolo.

[ekrolo2]

Saying the writer is right by default is bull for me. By that logic any person in-charge of anything is always right just by virtue of being the guy in-charge. Your further comment that complaining about this stuff is pointless is precisely my issue with this mentality. By that logic, anyone complaining about any guy who's in-charge and who has the final say in anything is pointless. I don't care if Toriyama is the original creator, I don't care if he's the guy who's ideas come to life, if its a bad or poorly executed one, I will call it that and maintain it shouldn't have been done like that. Just as I'll readily defend an idea or execution of an idea of his that's properly done.

But complaining IS pointless. It achieves nothing and exposes everyone to unneeded negativity. I'm talking about a mangaka and a quirky story he came up with, not a CEO of a company or the President of a country.

How has you being "The resident president of the Super bitching fan club 5 years running with a major in bitchology" improved your life? Does it make you happier? I'm gonna guess no. You see? Complaining is a waste of time, episode 5 still exists.

It has awarded my many an opportunity for fine snark at Super's expense good sir

Besides, I think there should be positivity and negativity with DB conversations as there's good reason to do both. I don't see how calling say the Cell arc is anymore more or less pointless then me calling it a piece of crap

My more negative outlook usually is due to the distinct impression I get from people that Toriyama's treated like a golden icon who's story problems and bad execution would get any other creator flamed to death.