"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Gorou]

The aging of the characters is a complex topic and not easy to transpose. Whilst it is true that static characters, in long time, end up to result boring, in the other part cannot alter the characterisation of a character to the point of distorting him and make unrecognizable to the public. Normally, this can result correct, and more comprensible, only with young characters (specially kids), still immature, that learn through their individual experiences, that are most incisive for their psyche, compared to an adult mind. However, this does not make impossible a minimal maturation, or the take of a different approach (Vegeta in the Boo's saga learns to cooperate with Goku, shameless plug, to example). In real life we all know that things go differently, but DB isn't real life

[dbzfan7]

Wasn't the last thing Future Bulma was told was that Goku is dead, and staying dead according to Trunks stories. How would she have any idea he is alive now?

Well, she knows that dragon balls still exists in that timeline, so resurrection is an option. And she was used to think about Goku as the one saving the day, not Gohan.
I mean, sure, that's probably a blunder, but one that can be easily justified.

The last thing she and Trunks knew was Goku saying he wanted to stay dead. Why would that be different now? Did they think Goku pussied out of what he said he was gonna do? Because he said he was going to stay dead when they tried to wish him back. So that would mean as far as Trunks knows, Gohan and Vegeta is the best he can get.

Wasn't the last thing Future Bulma was told was that Goku is dead, and staying dead according to Trunks stories. How would she have any idea he is alive now?

Well, it's just a brief summery of Bulma's plan, she probably didn't actually say that, but was just suggesting to go back for the best fighter.

I'm not treating it as fact yet. I haven't seen what they say in the series. From the description though, it sounds like a big mistake. That, and another F You to Gohan.

[JulieYBM]

You know what Otaku did when they didn't like the ending of Shin Seiki Evangelion? They created doujinshi. Fan comics and parodies from Japan are a huge industry with a large number of talented artists. When they don't like something or think they have something to add they will actually go out and add. The strength of western fandom in that regard is infantile. That's a shame.

How has you being "The resident president of the Super bitching fan club 5 years running with a major in bitchology" improved or life? Does it make you happier? I'm gonna guess no. You see? Complaining is a waste of time, episode 5 still exists.

That is a bit unfair. Episode 5 did indeed get a fix.

A fix no doubt pushed for by the staff of the episode themselves, given just how rushed it was.

[Vynak]

Here's a translation:
The episode's plot will start in the future when Earth is free from the Androids' domination. A man named "Black" suddenly appears, and Trunks tries to defend himself. He is no match, even in his Super Saiyan form. Bulma is resolved to make a time machine and ask for help from Goku and Vegeta from the past, but after half a year, she only accumulated enough fuel for the time machine to make a one-way trip. Then, Black appears again before Bulma and Trunks.

Here's my theory since we know that there will be confusing timelines occurring in this new arc; Black will come from a different timeline than Future Trunks all together. Perhaps he can somehow time travel easily, how I don't know. Mai could also be from a different timeline, which would explain her age, and somehow joins up with Trunks to fight Black. Black somehow fuses with Goku (from either yet another timeline or maybe Mai's timeline). I don't think he'll fuse with current timeline Goku since that will take Goku out of the picture & unable to defeat the main villain, and also who would even stand a chance against a fused evil SSGSS Goku?

[sintzu]

I don't think he'll fuse with current timeline Goku since that will take Goku out of the picture & unable to defeat the main villain.

and also who would even stand a chance against a fused evil SSGSS Goku?

They took Goku out of the picture during the battle with Cell and let Gohan defeat him so they could do the same here by having Vegeta and Future Trunks defeat him.

Vegeta with a new form.

[Kagari]

In Z Goku was out of the picture a lot... during pretty much every major arc. That happening again here wouldn't be unprecedented and actually gives room for other characters to step up.

[dbzfan7]

In Z Goku was out of the picture a lot... during pretty much every major arc. That happening again here wouldn't be unprecedented and actually gives room for other characters to step up.

Problem is nobody else can step up. The power creep is way too huge. Unless by others you mean Beerus or Whis. Goku even in Super has been taken out for a bit, and it's always for some pointless waste of time.

[HybridSaiyan]

So does anyone have a logical reason why Trunks hair is now Blue?
This is the same Trunks from Cell right? Because I don't see how it can be considering Pilaf n' his crew never used the dragon balls to be young again, so Mai would literally be an old woman?

Trunks has Bulma's scarf from Super or that's just Android 17's lol.

[sintzu]

Problem is nobody else can step up. The power creep is way too huge. Unless by others you mean Beerus or Whis.

Vegeta could especially with a new form.

Or maybe him and Trunks will use one of the fusion techniques.

So does anyone have a logical reason why Trunks hair is now Blue ?

That's how they colored kid Trunks' hair in the promotion material but in the anime and movie it was white.

[dbzfan7]

Problem is nobody else can step up. The power creep is way too huge. Unless by others you mean Beerus or Whis.

Vegeta could especially with a new form.

Or maybe him and Trunks will use one of the fusion techniques.

I believe he said side characters. Vegeta isn't a side character. Out of the side characters only Beerus and Whis could do anything. Everyone else can't.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The power creep has been huge before, there's absolutely no reason to believe people can't catch up again somehow or another.

That's not to say they will or won't, there's really no way to tell as of now, but it's not like it's an impossible thing to imagine.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

If Trunks doesn't do anything important besides giving exposition it would be very disappointing. I hope he plays the most important role in this arc.

- Travis

[HybridSaiyan]

The power creep has been huge before, there's absolutely no reason to believe people can't catch up again somehow or another.

That's not to say they will or won't, there's really no way to tell as of now, but it's not like it's an impossible thing to imagine.

I don't see Piccolo, Gohan, Gotenks getting anymore powerful, and if they somewhat did. It wouldn't even be close to the strength Goku and Vegeta have right now.

Levels of SSJ are pointless in this day n' age of Dragonball. So Gotenks and Gohan have nothing to achieve really. THEY HAVE TO BECOME GODS. xD
n' order for characters to catch up, they need to be gods. God humans, god nameks and god saiyans. lol

[dbzfan7]

The power creep has been huge before, there's absolutely no reason to believe people can't catch up again somehow or another.

That's not to say they will or won't, there's really no way to tell as of now, but it's not like it's an impossible thing to imagine.

It's never been this big before. Also I agree that some people literally could right now, but they won't because there is no desire to take that route. Not unless they really want to fight. It seems to be a theme that only people who want to fight to get stronger, get to do so. Having people with several different goals and motivations, is completely alien for some reason.

[Kagari]

In Z Goku was out of the picture a lot... during pretty much every major arc. That happening again here wouldn't be unprecedented and actually gives room for other characters to step up.

Problem is nobody else can step up. The power creep is way too huge. Unless by others you mean Beerus or Whis. Goku even in Super has been taken out for a bit, and it's always for some pointless waste of time.

I'm most interested to see what happens with this since we now know Trunks didn't get SSB like a bunch of people were thinking.

[dbzfan7]

In Z Goku was out of the picture a lot... during pretty much every major arc. That happening again here wouldn't be unprecedented and actually gives room for other characters to step up.

Problem is nobody else can step up. The power creep is way too huge. Unless by others you mean Beerus or Whis. Goku even in Super has been taken out for a bit, and it's always for some pointless waste of time.

I'm most interested to see what happens with this since we now know Trunks didn't get SSB like a bunch of people were thinking.

My biggest bet is still he gets sent to the corner like the rest. He's probably a catalyst for the plot and that's it. My second bet is of course he gets SSJB. Though not sure how when he's only an SSJ now, and he doesn't seem to have improved a lot. Though if he does get it and hasn't really improved since the Cell arc, then it proves anyone can.

[Gyt Kaliba]

All I'm saying is anything is possible with the right plot twist and imagination behind it. I'm not entirely sure I think it'll actually happen, but with the right plot twist? I'd be perfectly fine with even the likes of Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Chaozu catching relatively up in strength again.

Or, as others are predicting, there might be some level of minions to this arc that we don't know about yet. There are so many different ways that the side characters could be utilized, and again I'm not saying it'll happen (Battle of Gods, though the better story overall, kinda dropped the ball on that one, while Resurrection 'F' at least gave us the fight with Freeza's army, though the movie handled that way better than Super did), but there's just as much of a chance that it will as there is that it won't at this point.

[ArchedThunder]

When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.

[dbzfan7]

All I'm saying is anything is possible with the right plot twist and imagination behind it. I'm not entirely sure I think it'll actually happen, but with the right plot twist? I'd be perfectly fine with even the likes of Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, and Chaozu catching relatively up in strength again.

Or, as others are predicting, there might be some level of minions to this arc that we don't know about yet. There are so many different ways that the side characters could be utilized, and again I'm not saying it'll happen (Battle of Gods, though the better story overall, kinda dropped the ball on that one, while Resurrection 'F' at least gave us the fight with Freeza's army, though the movie handled that way better than Super did), but there's just as much of a chance that it will as there is that it won't at this point.

I agree with your sentiment that technically anything can happen. It's true. A lot of what's happened I'd never believe would. Though in this case, there just doesn't seem to be any interest in other fighters beyond Goku and Vegeta. Jaco might get to do something more than have his seeing eyes be good, I dunno. Bulma might have something to do, I dunno. Pretty sure the humans won't be doing anything. Pretty sure Goten and Trunks will forever be shenanigans instead of characters. Trunks will give us some interaction with his future self, but I doubt that'll benefit his character since they don't care. Gohan's development may or may not be dropped, and if I had to guess it probably was. Pilaf is probably gonna be around and I have absolutely no idea why. They better build up their reason for showing up so much lately. Piccolo will be there to comment on stuff again, and I think that's it for him.

When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.

In the original arc he defeated Freeza, then was pretty much incompetent for the rest of the arc til he got to go back to the future to kill the cyborgs and Cell. Let's go 0-2.

[UpFromTheSkies]

So does anyone have a logical reason why Trunks hair is now Blue?

They've been making it blue in promotional artwork lately and then changing it to purple in the anime. The same thing has happened with Bulma in the past, her hair has been blue, teal, and purple.

The strength of western fandom in that regard is infantile. That's a shame.

I think the reason for this is that in Japan they can sell the manga they make and there is a big market for it, but they can't do that in the West, so there isn't as much motivation to create it.