DragonBall Z Abridged

[MetaMoss]

I don't like the Krillin Owned Count. We only use it anymore because we haven't been able to properly retire it yet.

I'd be sad to see it go because it's something that kinda ties the whole series together, in a way. It's a long-running gag that crosses the season barrier and is memorable. But I can totally understand the desire to retire it, as repeating a joke as often as the KOC makes it lose its luster. I like Gyt Kaliba's idea for retiring it once Krillin ends up with 18. Maybe have a joke where Krillin destroys it while holding Maron or something.

[TonyTheTiger]

Then again, it's been an issue with a lot of different Abridged trappings when some fans have kind of let it spill over too much into their consciousness about the series itself. A good few years back, Nappa was actually doing amazingly well in a 'favorite anime villains' on the FUNimation Forums, and it was preeeetttyyyy obvious...that people were voting for Abridged Nappa, not...well, Nappa. That's not at all a fault of TFS in any way though, just something I've personally witnessed with fans taking things a little too liberally from you guys' work.

I think Abridged has gained so much traction that a lot of people are taking it as a quasi-legitimate interpretation of the material now, not unlike, say, different Batman movies. Whether or not that's appropriate, the franchise was relatively dormant in terms of new material until recently and, with only a few exceptions, Abridged does keep pretty consistent to the spirit of the material. A lot of people look at Abridged as "DBZ with better writing."

[coola]

Loved that episode, while all actors/actresses were fantastic as always, Kaiser was no. 1 :
- 6 Rules of Popo's traning
- Trunks and Cell exchange
- "And send a rabbit to the moon" "Did you made that last part up?"

[ShadowDude112]

A lot of people look at Abridged as "DBZ with better writing."

That's one of my biggest problems. Especially because that's mostly dub fans that say it too. I'm not saying the original version had like superb writing by any means, but it was actually good and keeps you interested unlike the dub where it's insanely corny.

I thought the episode was good. One of my problems is the Popo's rule thing. I get he's still supposed to be scary or whatever, but I just kind of grew out of the whole "Haha, Popo is super strong and le ebin pecking order! XD" That's not TFS' fault though. Just everyone for overusing the crap out of it. I loved the dialogue through out Cell vs Trunks. That was stupendous and everything was great in that though. Overall, I really liked the episode. Probably one of the best ones.

[jcogginsa]

Better is a relative term, but DBZA does have certain advantages. They know where the story goes, so they can add in references and foreshadowing absent in the original. But they wouldn't have that kind of advantage without the original to work on

[TonyTheTiger]

I think it's a little more nuanced. When something becomes ingrained in pop culture you're bound to have multiple takes on the same material. Adam West Batman and Christopher Nolan Batman are equally legitimate interpretations of Batman and draw inspiration from the same source material (the comics). Abridged is in much the same situation. It's "legitimate" to the extent that people who are familiar with Dragon Ball Z can recognize it as a coherent interpretation of the source material, and like different Batman productions, adds it's own flair to the mix. It's pretty much the same as Dragon Ball Kai or Dragon Ball SD. The only difference is that TFS doesn't have the legal authority behind them. But to the viewer that detail isn't super relevant.

[funrush]

This Cell is written better than the actual Cell. It would make sense that the egotistical "perfect" guy who knows everyone's dirt would be roasting them, showing off how much he knows.
"What channel?"

This Krillin Owned Count conversation reminds me of when on South Park they killed Kenny off for real because the "You killed Kenny" jokes felt more obligatory than funny. They eventually brought him/the gag back though, they just only do it when they want to.

[ShadowBardock89]

Kuririn's actually had it pretty easy from fans for a while now. The new hip guy to hate on seems to be poor ol' Yamcha.

Doesn't help that its coming straight from Japan. How else do you explain the dead Yamcha figure?

As for the Krillin Owned Counter, the last time I see it being used ever is when he gets eaten by Buu (second to last would be turning into stone).

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't like the Krillin Owned Count. We only use it anymore because we haven't been able to properly retire it yet.

I like it and I think you shouldn't retire it.

Regarding the whole Mr. Popo thing, I like the gag a lot better now that his backstory as Demon God Dumplin has been revealed.

[Kuririn Fan]

I don't like the Krillin Owned Count. We only use it anymore because we haven't been able to properly retire it yet.

<3 It doesn't matter, all these things make me stronger and i wear my username with PRIDE. I love going against the popular opinions, at least of the West, because Kuririn was voted 7th most popular character in Japan. <3

That's one of my biggest problems. Especially because that's mostly dub fans that say it too. I'm not saying the original version had like superb writing by any means, but it was actually good and keeps you interested unlike the dub where it's insanely corny.

Exactly!

[Kanassa]

I don't like the Krillin Owned Count. We only use it anymore because we haven't been able to properly retire it yet.

Don't want to fully suggest anything, especially when you're no doubt already thinking about such things, but perhaps the transition between the Cell and Boo arcs would be a good time? He's happy, he's got a family at long last - there's not really much for him to get 'owned' about anymore by that point in time.

Speaking as a fan of the guy, I've never really been bothered by the Owned Count itself, more so just the way some people seem to use it as actual evidence against the guy as a character. Then again, it's been an issue with a lot of different Abridged trappings when some fans have kind of let it spill over too much into their consciousness about the series itself. A good few years back, Nappa was actually doing amazingly well in a 'favorite anime villains' on the FUNimation Forums, and it was preeeetttyyyy obvious...that people were voting for Abridged Nappa, not...well, Nappa. That's not at all a fault of TFS in any way though, just something I've personally witnessed with fans taking things a little too liberally from you guys' work.

Kuririn's actually had it pretty easy from fans for a while now. The new hip guy to hate on seems to be poor ol' Yamcha.

I always looked to the owned count as a reason to like Krillin. Yeah, h has no chance, but he doesn't give one ioda of a shit. I just hope they give him a badass ending line in the Buu saga when he attempts to distract Buu.

[Noah]

Oh gosh! Another good Abridged episode!

Didn't like it much the first seconds of that Hikari no Will Power remix, but had some good sound bits later, probably they didn't used the original version for copyright issues, if they use that track when Cell is about to announce the Cell Games, I'm gonna thrill!
#16 comments were retarded but yet so funny! And that Krillin and Vegeta ending, oh lord...

I like Gyt Kaliba's idea for retiring it once Krillin ends up with 18. Maybe have a joke where Krillin destroys it while holding Maron or something.

Nah, I don't think so... Krillin turned in stone by Dabura and being eaten by Super Boo are easily some points to the count.

[gogeta97]

That's one of my biggest problems. Especially because that's mostly dub fans that say it too.

Why is that a problem?

[Deathbringer]

I will admit that it irks me to see some dub fans admit in a heartbeat that "this scene is way better than the original" (like Trunks finding Gohan's body (which IS a great moment in DBZA because any jokes in that scene would have felt forced)) but they'll never admit that the Japanese version does anything better than the dub they grew up with.

Saw a prime example in the youtube comments: (lemme just paraphrase):
"wow Cell is so much better here than in the original"
"what about the japanese version? Norio Wakamoto is godly"
"dude the sub is bad"

Why am I venting? I didn't come here to vent, I came to say that episode 53 was amazing as always, well done to everyone involved

[BlazingBarrrager]

I don't like the Krillin Owned Count. We only use it anymore because we haven't been able to properly retire it yet.

I'd be sad to see it go because it's something that kinda ties the whole series together, in a way. It's a long-running gag that crosses the season barrier and is memorable. But I can totally understand the desire to retire it, as repeating a joke as often as the KOC makes it lose its luster. I like Gyt Kaliba's idea for retiring it once Krillin ends up with 18. Maybe have a joke where Krillin destroys it while holding Maron or something.

Well once the Buu saga hits (assuming they'll go that far) the Krillin Owned Count should die down, especially with Mr. Satan becoming the new butt monkey. I mean considering that it took a break because of the focus on Yamcha it's not like it's something that's being forced.

Besides, didn't stop the team from bringing back the "Kaio-what" gag for "World's Strongest."

[BlazingBarrrager]

Sorry for the double post, but I think I figured out how Goku's stupidity works: the more of a Super Saiyan he is the smarter he gets. Probably explains how he pulled a Gohan while in SSJ Grade 3.

[TonyTheTiger]

The Krillin Owned Count doesn't bother me much because it's at the very least non-intrusive and in good spirit. Yamcha, meanwhile, got some terrible treatment.

[Noah]

Sorry for the double post, but I think I figured out how Goku's stupidity works: the more of a Super Saiyan he is the smarter he gets. Probably explains how he pulled a Gohan while in SSJ Grade 3.

I figure out that too, the very first time he transformed, Gohan was surprised by his reasoning about how everything would be pointless if Piccolo died on Namek

[Regarder]

I always took the Krillin Owned Count as being a humorous semi-sincere attempt to highlight how many times Krillin actually got his ass kicked, but made up ones quickly appeared, and there really aren't many authentic Krillin Owned moments left, since all that stuff is concentrated in the Saiyan and Freeza end of the original story (excluding DB obviously). So the end of the Cell arc and getting with 18 is clearly a good time to retire it.

This Cell is written better than the actual Cell.

This is just what I was about to say, so second that. The Cell arc is normally my least favorite arc though.

[gogeta97]

Why do some people seem to get so hot and bothered about fans finding some scenes/aspects of Abridged better than the original? Pretty cheap how everyone keeps saying "hurr durr dub fans at it again" too. I think the original subbed is great, but there are a few aspects where I prefer the dub and even more where I think Abridged outshines both. No disrespect to Toriyama but it's not like his material is perfect. Same with Abridged and especially with the dub. Some people just take this show too seriously.