Official Goku Black Thread: Your thoughts before June 12th!

[ShadowBardock89]

The whole Mai thing still does not make sense. How was she able to become a child (assuming with Pilaf & Shu) when the Androids killed Piccolo?
Unless, of course, the Namekian Dragon Balls were used to wish Piccolo back to life after Cell's death in Trunks' future.

[Hellspawn28]

Pilaf, Shu and Mai most likely a wish to become younger a year before #17 and #18 killed everyone. That could explain why Mai is now a adult now with Future Trunks.

[ChronoTwigger]

Oh, c'mon!
You're all thinking about Mai being with Future Trunks the same day!

What if Trunks travel thru time, and what if he gather Mai from another year? Sound plausible to you, Paradox Boys?

[Lord Frieza]

I'm ok with Trunks/Mai, it better then the Trunk/Pan people have been trying to ship for years. For starters it wont end with Trunks getting arrested for dating a miner.

[HeroR]

Pilaf, Shu and Mai most likely a wish to become younger a year before #17 and #18 killed everyone. That could explain why Mai is now a adult now with Future Trunks.

Them using the Dragon Balls when Kami was still around actually clears up a minor mystery. Namely, if they became children some time before or after the Buu Saga, why didn't they know that the Dragon Balls have been upgraded? Of course, that raises the question of how long they have been children, but I can believe they still looks small given how Toriyama tend to draw children. Pilaf also could had phase the wish in such a way where he no only became a child again, but also age slower.

[WittyUsername]

I can only assume that Mai is involved because Toriyama really wants her to be a love interest for Trunks...

[Fresh Prince]

I can't wait to see what big role, Future Mai will have. Also I can't wait to see interactions between F. Trunks, Kid Trunks, Mai and F. Mai!

[DragonHermit]

I think B Goku's transformation Super Saiyan White is because of Evil God Ki or what the God Ki of the Makaioshins is called. When Toriyama said SSB's design was chosen to be blue, because it would clash with new future villain, it's pretty clear what that refers to.

It IS Future Trunks from Cell arc. I'm not really sure why you would think otherwise. The multiple sources have confirmed this. You guys are beating around the bush.

Highly doubt it at this point. 1) Mai 2) Bulma's scarf 3) Goku being dead in FT's arc

[Cetra]

I think B Goku's transformation Super Saiyan White is because of Evil God Ki or what the God Ki of the Makaioshins is called. When Toriyama said SSB's design was chosen to be blue, because it would clash with new future villain, it's pretty clear what that refers to.

It IS Future Trunks from Cell arc. I'm not really sure why you would think otherwise. The multiple sources have confirmed this. You guys are beating around the bush.

Highly doubt it at this point. 1) Mai 2) Bulma's scarf 3) Goku being dead in FT's arc

You are right, it is obvious. Obviously Freeza. F was made late 2014. Why would he plan 10 sagas ahead.

[DragonHermit]

I think B Goku's transformation Super Saiyan White is because of Evil God Ki or what the God Ki of the Makaioshins is called. When Toriyama said SSB's design was chosen to be blue, because it would clash with new future villain, it's pretty clear what that refers to.

It IS Future Trunks from Cell arc. I'm not really sure why you would think otherwise. The multiple sources have confirmed this. You guys are beating around the bush.

Highly doubt it at this point. 1) Mai 2) Bulma's scarf 3) Goku being dead in FT's arc

You are right, it is obvious. Obviously Freeza. F was made late 2014. Why would he plan 10 sagas ahead.

10 sagas ahead? This is the first real storyline after RoF. Toriyama himself talked about a villain with white hair. We've had nothing of the sort yet, meaning he planned this far ahead. How is that Frieza, and why would that clash with Goku? It's like saying Goku would clash with Raditz because they both had black hair.

It's not that hard to come up with an idea, and save it for later. It doesn't mean you plan out an entire saga in detail 2-3 years prior.

[Nejishiki]

Just to nitpick, it was never "white hair" but the enemy having something white in general to clash against whatever element Toriyama was referring to that antagonist.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Just to nitpick, it was never "white hair" but the enemy having something white in general to clash against whatever element Toriyama was referring to that antagonist.

If you're going to nitpick, that's technically not what was said either. He only mentioned the white hair would clash with the next enemy, not that the next enemy would be white in any way.

[THEGOKU]

The real curious part here is the potara earrings. Assuming it's the same Future Trunks the only way this Black Goku is worth being strong enough to be considered a threat to the current timeline Goku is if he were training this entire time since his death. Even with that being said if I remember correctly in Xenoverse Goku was never affected by Demigra because of his pure heart and having said pure heart it would be hard for him to be controlled. I could be wrong about that and please correct me if so. Now Mia being thrown into the mix is curious because she only meets trunks in BoGs because the dragon balls happened to be a prize at the party. Again assuming this is the same Future Trunks how would they have met without having been introduced in that scenario. This has to be a story that needs to be clarified and hopefully does get the proper clarification and not just some bits and pieces. I would imagine that this is going to be where Super might take a turn to being more serious with the situations and hopefully not so kid friendly as it seems right now. This is the perfect time to have a darker tone for the series and introduce a lot of the themes that worked very well in Z.

[KingKaash]

I am definitely intrigued by an evil Black Goku. The earrings are what intrigues me the most. To me, it seems to suggest that wherever this Goku came from, he might be a God. Black Goku has to be on God level otherwise this arc will end quickly.

I actually really want Demigra, Miira, and Towa in this. I think they're great villains that can lead to interesting timeline stories and I've hoped that they get introduced in the anime.

My hope is Vegeta gets to destroy this Black Goku at the end of it all. Saving his Future son and wife's timeline would be a nice thing to give to Vegeta.

And while I'm not implying at all that Pan and Trunks are shipped because I find that disgusting, I think that could be Pan. Think about it. Gohan was an adult in the future. Videl must've been better than the average human and probably survived the Androids attacks and took refuge in an underground camp. Gohan meets her there and they get together and have a kid but Videl and Pan stay in hiding while Gohan leaves. After Trunks destroys Cell in his timeline, Videl and Pan come out of hiding and stay with Bulma and Trunks.

[dbgtFO]

And while I'm not implying at all that Pan and Trunks are shipped because I find that disgusting, I think that could be Pan. Think about it. Gohan was an adult in the future. Videl must've been better than the average human and probably survived the Androids attacks and took refuge in an underground camp. Gohan meets her there and they get together and have a kid but Videl and Pan stay in hiding while Gohan leaves. After Trunks destroys Cell in his timeline, Videl and Pan come out of hiding and stay with Bulma and Trunks.

It was confirmed as Mai, there's a Kanzenshuu website too: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/06/03/fu ... all-super/

[Black_Liger]

I do not get this fanbase at all.

Super goes lighthearted, then it needs to be darker, it goes darker then it needs to be lighthearted.

People getting tired of the "Goku and Vegeta" show, Future Mai gets an important role, now they don't like it..... what the fuck.

[Ki Breaker]

I do not get this fanbase at all.

Super goes lighthearted, then it needs to be darker, it goes darker then it needs to be lighthearted.

People getting tired of the "Goku and Vegeta" show, Future Mai gets an important role, now they don't like it..... what the fuck.

Dragonball has a huge fan base, it's a show anyone can interpret any way they want, it's a different show to everyone and hence according to them it should conc on "this and that" debate goes on..
It's a beautiful thing actually

[Draconic]

The real curious part here is the potara earrings. Assuming it's the same Future Trunks the only way this Black Goku is worth being strong enough to be considered a threat to the current timeline Goku is if he were training this entire time since his death. Even with that being said if I remember correctly in Xenoverse Goku was never affected by Demigra because of his pure heart and having said pure heart it would be hard for him to be controlled. I could be wrong about that and please correct me if so. Now Mia being thrown into the mix is curious because she only meets trunks in BoGs because the dragon balls happened to be a prize at the party. Again assuming this is the same Future Trunks how would they have met without having been introduced in that scenario. This has to be a story that needs to be clarified and hopefully does get the proper clarification and not just some bits and pieces. I would imagine that this is going to be where Super might take a turn to being more serious with the situations and hopefully not so kid friendly as it seems right now. This is the perfect time to have a darker tone for the series and introduce a lot of the themes that worked very well in Z.

Demigra couldn't control Goku due to the fact he became a God, as it seems gods are immune to his magic (like Beerus) and the story takes place post BoG.

[Cetra]

10 sagas ahead? This is the first real storyline after RoF. Toriyama himself talked about a villain with white hair. We've had nothing of the sort yet, meaning he planned this far ahead. How is that Frieza, and why would that clash with Goku? It's like saying Goku would clash with Raditz because they both had black hair.

It's not that hard to come up with an idea, and save it for later. It doesn't mean you plan out an entire saga in detail 2-3 years prior.

You seem to have a problem understanding hyperbole. "10 sagas" was a very obvious way of saying "way after". And you are acting like the entire universe 6 stuff and what came before and after never existed. Also your logic of Goku and Raditz can ALWAYS be used because then in no way Toriyama-san's comment is justified, especially not with white hair - which he never even mentioned clearly, that is just an assumption. Your Goku/Raditz argument totally works against the Goku or Vegeta with potentially white hair VS Goku Black with hair then as well. To be honest, I do hope white hair plays a role because I am as an RPG villain very much into white hair but this white hair stuff is also something that just came out of people taking things that were never even worded that way out of context. Right now we do not know that. We can hope it but we do not know it. Furthermore you'd have to assume Toriyama-san planned Dragon Ball Super by the end of 2014 to be a thing already, as well as what is in it. I could write more but I think that is enough for now. As things are, we just do not know it.

What I COULD see is if Black is a seperate entity there could be a character called White, who maybe then also has white hair.

[THEGOKU]

The earring could also be a hint to fusion being used in this saga. It's been something they may have been hinting at it or at least seems that way with Whis implying Goku and Vegeta work together. The biggest hint I think was during the tournament that Kabito and Supreme Kai are separate now thus bringing back Vegito because this guy is too strong for them to handle individually. Again just a theory but it's a huge possibility.