"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:51 am

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Fizzer wrote:Maybe this arc will see a true resurrection of Dragon Ball Z at it's most popular.
That's what RF was supposed to do and it alongside the Champa arc ended up under developed.
Dragon Ball was most popular at the Freeza arc, and rightfully so, that was probably the peak of the franchise.
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TekTheNinja wrote:Dragon Ball always got dark and sometimes emotional.
In the very 1st arc we find out that Goku stomped his grandfather to death and that's DB's most light hearted arc.
Yeah, and if officially became "serious" with Daimao arc and became goofy again with Boo. So OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work, especially since Goku grew up in the last OG DB arc.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:57 am

ArchedThunder wrote:When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.
Well Champa was kind of useless in his own arc so i fear Trunks might end up being useless too.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:01 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.
Well Champa was kind of useless in his own arc so i fear Trunks might end up being useless too.

- Travis
Other that his badass entrance and getting rid of much weaker 17,18 and Cell in his future, he was totally useless in the Cell arc.
There is no HOPE for him in "Goku and Vegeta show".
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kanassa » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:01 am

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Yeah, and if officially became "serious" with Daimao arc and became goofy again with Boo. So OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work, especially since Goku grew up in the last OG DB arc.
I never got this, while the Buu arc has many more comedic moments, it's not really that goofy overall. It's pretty dark.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:03 am

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Kuririn Fan wrote:
Yeah, and if officially became "serious" with Daimao arc and became goofy again with Boo. So OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work, especially since Goku grew up in the last OG DB arc.
I never got this, while the Buu arc has many more comedic moments, it's not really that goofy overall. It's pretty dark.
It has dark moments, but they are almost always accompanied by gags.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sintzu » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:13 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work.
I never understood this cause even before the Piccolo arc it was full of serious dramatic moments like Goku stomping his grandfather, Tao killing Bora, Goku's reunion with his grandfather, Tien breaking Yamcha's leg & Krillin dying all happened before the 2 Piccolo arcs.

Even Buu which is considered more on the light side of things had it's moments like the old couple getting shot, Vegeta's sacrifice, Buu killing everyone and most importantly Vedil getting beaten up at the tournament which is the darkest moment in the franchise for me.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kanassa » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:35 am

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Kuririn Fan wrote:
Yeah, and if officially became "serious" with Daimao arc and became goofy again with Boo. So OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work, especially since Goku grew up in the last OG DB arc.
I never got this, while the Buu arc has many more comedic moments, it's not really that goofy overall. It's pretty dark.
It has dark moments, but they are almost always accompanied by gags.
The majority of dark moments in the Buu arc were taken as dark moments, and even the dark moments that were taken as gags were mostly in the filler.
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:46 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work.
I never understood this cause even before the Piccolo arc it was full of serious dramatic moments like Goku stomping his grandfather, Tao killing Bora, Goku's reunion with his grandfather, Tien breaking Yamcha's leg & Krillin dying all happened before the 2 Piccolo arcs.

Even Buu which is considered more on the light side of things had it's moments like the old couple getting shot, Vegeta's sacrifice, Buu killing everyone and most importantly Vedil getting beaten up at the tournament which is the darkest moment in the franchise for me.
Exactly! I guess those fans forgot that or something.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kakarotto92 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:13 am

sintzu wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:OG DB being just "goofy adventures with Kid Goku" doesnt work.
I never understood this cause even before the Piccolo arc it was full of serious dramatic moments like Goku stomping his grandfather, Tao killing Bora, Goku's reunion with his grandfather, Tien breaking Yamcha's leg & Krillin dying all happened before the 2 Piccolo arcs.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbgtFO » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:47 am

Now the thread has died down a bit, since the key visual was revealed and now that I am not occupied by work, I want to write down my thoughts.

1. Mai is accompanying Future Trunks, which is a negative, as I really don't like anyone from the Pilaf Gang and their annoying antics. I'd rather they just be written out the story and hoped their diminished role in the anime was due to Toei consulting Toriyama about it and being told, they weren't going to play a big role later on.
But apparently they didn't or Toriyama changed his mind or whatever.
Since this is fairly obviously the Mai of Future Trunks' timeline unless stated otherwise, this means the Pilaf Gang must have wished for youth in the 3 years between Freeza's death and the awakening of the androids in both Future Trunks' timeline and the Super timeline. Say they were turned into babies, they could be about as old as Trunks.

2. The summary speaks of a guy called Black, not Goku-Black, which seems like Black is his own being, stronger than Super Saiyan F Trunks, but probably nowhere near the level of cosmic beings like Buu and certainly nowhere near the level of the GoDs and their attendants. I imagine the scenario will have Trunks and Mai fleeing to the Super Timeline, but Black following them there, then realizing he's no match for Goku and Vegeta, he manages to take control of Goku, by merging with him via the Potara?

3. Of course this is the most interesting reveal from the key visual and the one thing, that people have posted most speculative theories about. Toriyama has established a couple of times, he likes to introduce characters in pairs, so one might wonder, if Black has a henchman or if Black is the henchman. This is where Demigra could be made part of this weird plot.

4. If Black does take control of Goku, then it means Vegeta along with Future Trunks and Mai apparently will be the heroes of the arc, perhaps with help from the others, but I'm thinking these 3 primarily. This will finally go back to Toriyama's 2014 comment, where he said he wanted Vegeta to take more of a main role, yeah yeah, he fought Freeza in RoF, but Goku got the kill. If this arc takes Goku completely out of the picture, then Vegeta might get to kill a main villain.
Though I'm also thinking that Goku-Black could just the beginning and he's the foil of someone else, so the main villain will not be Black.

5. Trunks' blue hair to be kept for the anime would be a surprise, given they kept it as purple in BoG and Super despite Toriyama drawing him with blue hair then too. As Shi_Neka(can't recall the name, sorry) points out Bulma has gone from being portrayed with teal hair throughout the entirety of the original anime trilogy and all the accompanying movies(except Path to Power), until RoF and Super and yes this was of course already pointed out by me last year and maybe someone before that.

I wonder why the change was made, as I thought Toriyama just designed both Bulma and Trunks with blue hair out of respect for the anime, which had Bulma with bluish hair, instead of the purple hair drew her with in the manga. On the other hand Toriyama could just gone back to his very early drawings and illustrations. The very first illustration he did with Goku, Bulma, Yamcha Puerh, Chi Chi & Oolong featuring had Bulma with blue hair, practically the same colour he drew her with for BoG and what her hair colour has looked like since RoF.

6. The intro. Are they still keeping the intro? Usually stuff like change of intro song gets announced a good deal before the relevant episode airs and we haven't heard anything yet. Of course there will be updated visuals, but who knows how much of the arc it will spoil? With RoF Arc it was already known Freeza would go Golden, so to us older fans it wasn't a spoiler. But I seem to recall from another Toei production, Digimon, that their openings tended to spoil the Digimon's evolutions, even though it would be a good while, before they debuted in the show. Who knows what has been decided for the updated intro.

7. And finally the hype should go into overdrive after the preview for episode 47 has aired. I would actually expect it to be longer than the standard preview and maybe not contain the same happy/optimistic music. This is supposed to be a big tonal shift, so I do think it seems appropriate to have the preview give off a sinister/dark vibe as well.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sintzu » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:25 am

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4. If Black does take control of Goku, then it means Vegeta along with Future Trunks and Mai apparently will be the heroes of the arc, perhaps with help from the others, but I'm thinking these 3 primarily. This will finally go back to Toriyama's 2014 comment, where he said he wanted Vegeta to take more of a main role, yeah yeah, he fought Freeza in RoF, but Goku got the kill. If this arc takes Goku completely out of the picture, then Vegeta might get to kill a main villain.
This is the most likely thing to happen if Goku is taken out but everyone else and especially Gohan need to play a major role in this.

This will be the 1st time Goku isn't there to have their back and I want that to be brought up.

I also want Vegeta to acknowledge that for the 1st time he's in charge of the situation and Goku won't be there to clean up his mess.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by HeroR » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:29 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.
Well Champa was kind of useless in his own arc so i fear Trunks might end up being useless too.

- Travis
Champa was the main driving force of the Champa Saga. He was the one with had and knew about the Super Dragon Balls. He was the one who created the tournament and the conflict between U6 and U7, and it was because of that tournament that Zen-O came and wants to have his own mutliverse tournament in the future. Champa may not have fought, but to say he was useless is just not true. He is literally the reason why that arc happened, hence why it's called the Champa arc.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by LightBing » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:37 am

I hope the first episode of the new arc shows the future, Trunks struggle to escape and all the necessary information to quick-start the arc. Finishing with him showing up in our current timeline.

I'm still wondering if Mai and Trunks being surrounded will actually happen or is there just for the promotional arc. If it happens, it pretty much confirms Black isn't going solo, at least at the start. Making me hopeful we get some grunts for other characters to deal with.

Very curious as what Bulma's role will be, she's always in the mix but this should impact her greatly(specially if her future self is killed). The only thing she needs is to build a combat suit and kick some ass. It doesn't have to make her a fighter, I would just like to see it once.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Ki Breaker » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:30 am

The official word says, "goku and vegeta in tough battles" so it's pretty much confirmed goku black won't be our goku fused with evil..
"Mai play a surprising major role" pilaf gang is the one who is always after dragon balls, maybe goku black is the result of them screwing up with a wish ( assuming they got Dragonballs back somehow )

I don't remember exactly but trunks 1st came to ask goku's help and somehow gohan got involved, I would like to think it would be the same now too..
Unless of course they want to write gohan off the story as no more potential boosts are required..

Anyways this arc sounds a lot of fun, dosen't really matter to me who fights
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:41 am

HeroR wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:When the arc is called the "Future Trunks Arc" I really don't get why people think Trunks is going to be completely useless.
Well Champa was kind of useless in his own arc so i fear Trunks might end up being useless too.

- Travis
Champa was the main driving force of the Champa Saga. He was the one with had and knew about the Super Dragon Balls. He was the one who created the tournament and the conflict between U6 and U7, and it was because of that tournament that Zen-O came and wants to have his own mutliverse tournament in the future. Champa may not have fought, but to say he was useless is just not true. He is literally the reason why that arc happened, hence why it's called the Champa arc.
This is exactly what i don't want Mirai Trunks arc to be. I don't want Trunks to just be the setup guy and then take a back seat. And Champa doesn't deserve the entire credit for the setup half credit goes to Beers. Who were the real stars of Champa arc Gokuu Vegeta and Hitto they were the ones actively involved throughout the arc Champa wasn't. I want Trunks to be the star of his own arc.

Now i think of it it would've been better if the arc was called something else instead of Champa arc cause Champa does not play an active role in the arc at all.

- Travis
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by SaiyaSith » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:44 am

dbgtFO wrote: 2. The summary speaks of a guy called Black, not Goku-Black, which seems like Black is his own being, stronger than Super Saiyan F Trunks, but probably nowhere near the level of cosmic beings like Buu and certainly nowhere near the level of the GoDs and their attendants. I imagine the scenario will have Trunks and Mai fleeing to the Super Timeline, but Black following them there, then realizing he's no match for Goku and Vegeta, he manages to take control of Goku, by merging with him via the Potara?
It doesn't look like the fusion potara earring. It's the exact same earring Demigra has, so it's most likely him or another demon god.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:51 am

Doubt it would be our Goku getting fused with an evil guy called "Black" in Trunks' F timeline. If they do tho, then I might skip through this arc overall, the only thing that interets me in this arc is Goku meeting his alternate evil self :lol:

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:21 am

sintzu wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
4. If Black does take control of Goku, then it means Vegeta along with Future Trunks and Mai apparently will be the heroes of the arc, perhaps with help from the others, but I'm thinking these 3 primarily. This will finally go back to Toriyama's 2014 comment, where he said he wanted Vegeta to take more of a main role, yeah yeah, he fought Freeza in RoF, but Goku got the kill. If this arc takes Goku completely out of the picture, then Vegeta might get to kill a main villain.
This is the most likely thing to happen if Goku is taken out but everyone else and especially Gohan need to play a major role in this.

This will be the 1st time Goku isn't there to have their back and I want that to be brought up.

I also want Vegeta to acknowledge that for the 1st time he's in charge of the situation and Goku won't be there to clean up his mess.
You meant to say that in your fantasies Vegeta will beat the main villain if Goku is not around.
I think it will be a team victory and not individual.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Kakarotto92 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:22 am

Saikyo no Senshi wrote: This is exactly what i don't want Mirai Trunks arc to be. I don't want Trunks to just be the setup guy and then take a back seat. And Champa doesn't deserve the entire credit for the setup half credit goes to Beers. Who were the real stars of Champa arc Gokuu Vegeta and Hitto they were the ones actively involved throughout the arc Champa wasn't. I want Trunks to be the star of his own arc.

Now i think of it it would've been better if the arc was called something else instead of Champa arc cause Champa does not play an active role in the arc at all.

- Travis
I mentioned that some pages ago. "Inter-universal Tournament arc" or "Hakaishin Tournament arc" would be far more fitting names.

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Post by Saikyo no Senshi » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:32 am

Kakarotto92 wrote:
Saikyo no Senshi wrote: This is exactly what i don't want Mirai Trunks arc to be. I don't want Trunks to just be the setup guy and then take a back seat. And Champa doesn't deserve the entire credit for the setup half credit goes to Beers. Who were the real stars of Champa arc Gokuu Vegeta and Hitto they were the ones actively involved throughout the arc Champa wasn't. I want Trunks to be the star of his own arc.

Now i think of it it would've been better if the arc was called something else instead of Champa arc cause Champa does not play an active role in the arc at all.

- Travis
I mentioned that some pages ago. "Inter-universal Tournament arc" or "Hakaishin Tournament arc" would be far more fitting names.
Yeah these names fit perfectly.

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