Do we expect too much from Super?

[saiyanvegetable]

Instead all we got was something that's barely better than gt itself for fucks sake .

Even that's debatable.

Everything is debatable.

Not Super's quality, unfortunately.

[pacz360]

Instead all we got was something that's barely better than gt itself for fucks sake .

Even that's debatable.

Exactly for all the shit we throw at gt you can damn well applied that to super itself imo super should've shattered any comparisons to gt from the start instead making gt seem more and more respectable as time pass future trunks arc has the potential to be one of the best arcs of the franchises but it depends a lot varying factors to be it and if it doesn't and drops the ball you better believe the super Vs gt debate on whether or not it was a worthy sequel/which was worse etc to escalate even further than it is.

[FortuneSSJ]

Not Super's quality, unfortunately.

Doesn't mean people can't like Super more than GT or DB.

[Doctor.]

I don't think wanting Super to get a basic thing like the characters' ages correct is in any way "expecting too much."

If it can't even do something like that, which should be next to impossible to screw up with all the databooks and other resources available to the Japanese fanbase, much less the professionals at Toei... then what does that say about the quality of the show overall?

You'd be surprised at the huge amount of series that get character ages wrong.

And another amount don't. What's your point?

Uhh... the point is that getting character ages wrong isn't an excuse to call something shit. He's saying that if a series gets ages wrong, then the series doesn't care about other writing aspects of the story. But there are good series with plot holes regarding character ages (and bad series with none). Super has a lot of problems, and character ages are one of them, but saying that it's shit JUST because of it is a dumb argument.

[pacz360]

Instead all we got was something that's barely better than gt itself for fucks sake .

Even that's debatable.

Everything is debatable.

When it comes to super it isn't not that much anyways.

[saiyanvegetable]

Not Super's quality, unfortunately.

Doesn't mean people can't like Super more than GT or DB.

Some people like Big Bang theory too. Far be it for me to stop them, but don't think for a second I'm not going to judge them based on their terrible taste and being borderline retarded.

Also the GT and Super comparisons don't work, because they both suck.

[saiyanvegetable]

Uhh... the point is that getting character ages wrong isn't an excuse to call something shit. He's saying that if a series gets ages wrong, then the series doesn't care about other writing aspects of the story. But there are good series with plot holes regarding character ages (and bad series with none). Super has a lot of problems, and character ages are one of them, but saying that it's shit JUST because of it is a dumb argument.

That's not what he said. At all. His point flew over your head entirely or you're just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

[pacz360]

Not Super's quality, unfortunately.

Doesn't mean people can't like Super more than GT or DB.

Some people like Big Bang theory too. Far be it for me to stop them, but don't think for a second I'm not going to judge them based on their terrible taste and being borderline retarded.

Also the GT and Super comparisons don't work, because they both suck.

Of course both series are terrible but super has a chance to a least change to somewhat good instead of forever being dogshit.

[Doctor.]

That's not what he said. At all. His point flew over your head entirely or you're just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Yes he did. He said that if Super can't get something as basic as character ages correct, then that speaks volumes about the quality of the series as a whole.

And I'm saying character ages are pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and they're the least of Super's worries.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being a contrarian or playing devil's advocate at times.

[dbzfan7]

Pretty sure Kaboom has made it clear he hates more than just the ages. I'm guessing he just finds that the easiest thing to get right. I think he's saying he doesn't like such and such, and perhaps it's not surprising if something such as ages can't be portrayed right. I dunno. I don't want to put words in his mouth.

[saiyanvegetable]

That's not what he said. At all. His point flew over your head entirely or you're just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Yes he did. He said that if Super can't get something as basic as character ages correct, then that speaks volumes about the quality of the series as a whole.

And in this case he's right. The blatant disregard of basic details is very indicative of the effort put into Super so far as a whole (not to mention a running theme at this point), especially pre production wise.

He wasn't the nitpicking comic book nerd you portrayed him to be with your last post.

[Doctor.]

That's not what he said. At all. His point flew over your head entirely or you're just being a contrarian for the sake of it.

Yes he did. He said that if Super can't get something as basic as character ages correct, then that speaks volumes about the quality of the series as a whole.

And in this case he's right. The blatant disregard of basic details is very indicative of the effort put into Super so far as a whole (not to mention a running theme at this point), especially pre production wise.

And I'm saying there are GOOD series that get character ages wrong all the time.

Pretty sure Kaboom has made it clear he hates more than just the ages. I'm guessing he just finds that the easiest thing to get right. I think he's saying he doesn't like such and such, and perhaps it's not surprising if something such as ages can't be portrayed right. I dunno. I don't want to put words in his mouth.

And that's fine. I don't have a problem with him hating Super or not. My problem was with the argument he presented in this thread.

[saiyanvegetable]

And I'm saying there are GOOD series that get character ages wrong all the time.

But that's not the fucking point at all. Is this not getting through to you? As if character's ages are the gold bar standard that we're judging everything by now... His point is that the lack of detail is just consistent with how Super's been handled as a whole from the bottom up. It's a very valid argument and I don't think you're getting it.

[Doctor.]

And I'm saying there are GOOD series that get character ages wrong all the time.

But that's not the fucking point at all. Is this not getting through to you? As if character's ages are the gold bar standard that we're judging everything by now... His point is that the lack of detail is just consistent with how Super's been handled as a whole from the bottom up.

God, what do you not get? I'm saying that character ages aren't PROOF of a lack of detail since multiple series, regardless of their quality, get it wrong too.

[saiyanvegetable]

And I'm saying there are GOOD series that get character ages wrong all the time.

But that's not the fucking point at all. Is this not getting through to you? As if character's ages are the gold bar standard that we're judging everything by now... His point is that the lack of detail is just consistent with how Super's been handled as a whole from the bottom up.

God, what do you not get? I'm saying that character ages aren't PROOF of a lack of detail since multiple series, regardless of their quality, get it wrong too.

And in this case it IS because it's just another small set of details completely ignored that are strung along with countless others in the series. It's a basic criticism.

Other series might have gotten character's "ages" wrong, but are they plagued with the same inconsistencies and lack of detail as Super? It's not a global anime standard, it's just indicative of the half assed effort put into Super so far.

[Doctor.]

And in this case it IS because it's just another small set of details completely ignored that are strung along with countless others in the series. It's a basic criticism. Are you retarded?

It's not basic criticism. Basic criticism is saying "Super has ignored a large amount of small details, such as character ages, which shows the lack of effort and attention put into the series". That's not what he said, regardless of how hard you're trying to make it seem like it is. What he said is "Super has fucked up something as basic as character ages and, as such, I can't expect the series to do anything else properly". They're two different arguments.

And God, c'mon, this is DRAGON BALL. Details have ALWAYS been ignored. The amount of plot holes and unexplained stuff in the manga is enormous. Criticism like that would have more weight if the original material wasn't already massively flawed and set a precedent to ignore details to begin with.

Congratulations.

[ekrolo2]

The age thing is a slight disappointment for me but not a big problem. I liked that there was at least one high-profile anime/manga series that wasn't afraid to make its cast older. I always used it as an example for why you can make a protagonist who's age can go into the 30s, 40s, and even 50s and have it work. The ages are still there but I'd like it if they were more of a factor in Super to maybe push some characters into interesting directions. God knows anime/manga could use more battle-centric series with casts who's age ranges from 14-18.

[Doctor.]

The age thing is a slight disappointment for me but not a big problem. I liked that there was at least one high-profile anime/manga series that wasn't afraid to make its cast older. I always used it as an example for why you can make a protagonist who's age can go into the 30s, 40s, and even 50s and have it work. The ages are still there but I'd like it if they were more of a factor in Super to maybe push some characters into interesting directions. God knows anime/manga could use more battle-centric series with casts who's age ranges from 14-18.

You should probably use JoJo's Bizarre Adventure as a better example of that. I don't read the series (well, not after part 1 at least), but I know that every one or two arcs, the next generation takes over and the story focuses on them instead.

[ekrolo2]

The age thing is a slight disappointment for me but not a big problem. I liked that there was at least one high-profile anime/manga series that wasn't afraid to make its cast older. I always used it as an example for why you can make a protagonist who's age can go into the 30s, 40s, and even 50s and have it work. The ages are still there but I'd like it if they were more of a factor in Super to maybe push some characters into interesting directions. God knows anime/manga could use more battle-centric series with casts who's age ranges from 14-18.

You should probably use JoJo's Bizarre Adventure as a better example of that. I don't read the series (well, not after part 1 at least), but I know that every one or two arcs, the next generation takes over and the story focuses on them instead.

I think that works as a better example of how you can switch around the cast every so often without "ruining everything" as a lot of people hold for a great many series as a golden rule.

[fadeddreams5]

I've completely lost track of the timeline in this series. How many months/years after the Buu saga are we now?