MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection! (Updated 4/13/26!)

[LordCrumb]

Dragon Ball Dissection: The Freeza Arc Part 2!

Happy 50th episode! Thanks, everybody, who has followed the series for all this time!

Unfortunately, for some reason, I can no longer edit the first post of this thread to add this to the master list or give the update date.

Awesome!

Anymore DBTV coming any time soon?

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, I thought about that, but wasn't sure if I'd put Dabura under Cell or not, but you raise some good points. Also yeah, there's more example of it in the animeverse.

Oh, and Daimao would be stronger than Cyborg Tao, who'd be the only non-big bad villain in the 23rd Budokai arc. Though he's not really Ma Junior's henchman, so I'm not sure if that would count.

You could throw Crane Hermit in there too. Oh, and Raditz is stronger than the Saibamen; that's not a real arc jump, but still notable since there's a large passage of time between Nappa and Vegeta arriving and Raditz arriving. Speaking of Tao, he is stronger than any of Baba's fighters (Devilman is said to be the strongest by far, and he puts up a worse fight against Goku than Tao), if you consider that a separate arc from the RRA stuff.

EDIT: Oh! Technically Oozaru Goku would be a lot stronger than any villain until Crane Hermit/Tenshinhan; according to the guidebooks he's got a battle power of 100 and "destructive power comparable to that of a battleship's main gun" (referring to his punches). Even Tao could be taken out by an explosion that wasn't anywhere near as powerful as 500 kg of tnt.

[Kid Buu]

Would you count Grandpa Gohan count as a Baba fighter? Sure, it was temporary, but he still fought on her team in that arc. How would you compare him to Tao?

EDIT: Also wouldn't 21st Budokai Oozaru be a lot stronger given that Base Goku was a lot stronger in the 21st Budokai? Would be over 100.

[RandomGuy96]

Would you count Grandpa Gohan count as a Baba fighter? Sure, it was temporary, but he still fought on her team in that arc. How would you compare him to Tao?

I actually wasn't considering him. I thought he'd count as the "main event" rather than a member of the miniboss squad. There's no real way to tell exactly how strong he is compared to Tao; he trades blows with Goku evenly for a while, seemingly putting up a better fight than Tao. But then Goku gets up, kicks Gohan faaaar away, tanks a direct kick to the chest without budging, makes Gohan say "what? he's so strong!" and resort to the Kamehameha immediately, moves fast enough that Gohan can't see him and misses as a result, and puts Gohan down in two hits, implying he was holding back at "match level" the whole time. Then Gohan goes for the tail, and when that doesn't work, admits he can't win and forfeits. After the battle he outright says he's no match for Goku. IMO that implies Tao is his superior, as he could at least put up a good fight against a serious Goku.

EDIT: Also wouldn't 21st Budokai Oozaru be a lot stronger given that Base Goku was a lot stronger in the 21st Budokai? Would be over 100.

Forgot about him. Not sure he'd count as a villain if only because he doesn't cause any trouble outside of the match and gets dealt with immediately. But if we do count him, he's probably stronger than anyone until Piccolo. If we don't count him, we've still got the first Oozaru Goku being superior to anyone else in the 21st Budokai arc, RRA arc, and Uranai Baba arc, Tao being superior to the miniboss squad of the Uranai Baba arc, Daimao being stronger than the Crane Hermit and Cyborg Tao at the 23rd Budokai, Raditz being stronger than the Saibamen, Oozaru Vegeta being stronger than any of Freeza's henchmen, and Cell being stronger than Babidi's gang. Plus all the anime examples. It's actually fairly common.

[Kid Buu]

Oh right, yeah he'd be main event.

How about factoring GT?

[RandomGuy96]

Oh right, yeah he'd be main event.

How about factoring GT?

That'd require getting into GT power scaling, which is... vague. However, at the very least, Goku commenting that Rildo is "even stronger than Majin Buu" (likely referring to the fat one still in existence, so his first form and his henchmen would be weaker than the stronger incarnations) would imply that any villain prior to that point is much weaker.

[Kid Buu]

Ha! Bebi-Vegeta was probably stronger than anyone in the Super 17 arc besides the big bad, but who knows given its GT.

Crap, now that we speak about it, it does seem like its more of the norm for the big bad to be quite strong compared to the henchemen of the next arc. How about the reverse then? Freeza was weaker than every named baddie in the Android arc except for his father.

[RandomGuy96]

Ha! Bebi-Vegeta was probably stronger than anyone in the Super 17 arc besides the big bad, but who knows given its GT.

Crap, now that we speak about it, it does seem like its more of the norm for the big bad to be quite strong compared to the henchemen of the next arc. How about the reverse? It seems Freeza was weaker than every named baddie in the Android arc except for his father.

I mean, would the revived villains even count as a miniboss squad? If so then Baby Vegeta is surely stronger than them. Plus half of the evil dragons.

On Freeza, he's possibly stronger than Android 19 and Android 20; I think that's more likely than the reverse, at least until 19 and 20 absorb a bunch of ki. But that's debatable. Oh, and 100% Freeza is said to be stronger than the suppressed version of Mecha Freeza that came and got killed before he could power up. He's still much weaker than 17, 18, their future variants, and 16 though. Also, while Vegeta is technically stronger than any member of Freeza's army, I think we're just meant to forget that, since he still treats them as a big deal and surpassing them as something of note. Jackie Chun was weaker than Tao and would probably lose in a fight against Blue despite being superior in raw strength. A half-way example: Drum was stronger than Tenshinhan. Piano, Cymbal, and Tambourine were not.

More anime examples of the reverse:
-Oozaru Vegeta > Wheelo, base Vegeta > bio-warriors
-Vegeta > Crusher Squad, Oozaru Vegeta > base Tullece
-Freeza > Slug's henchmen
-Freeza > Armored Squadron
-Freeza > Cooler's generic robots
-Androids 17 and 18 > Androids 13, 14, and 15
-Cell > Bojack and his gang, M8 Broly, M11 Broly, all of the loose villains in M12
-Super 17 > all evil dragons except Syn/Omega

[Kid Buu]

I'd at least count Goku fighting Freeza and Cell in hell as a sub-boss fight. The anime hypes it up, and it does last quite a while given the length of the actual arc itself.

Garlic Jr's weaker than every named baddie in the arc that comes after him. So that counts for the reverse.

Isn't one of the movie baddies meant to be stronger than the main movie baddie of the next film too?

[RandomGuy96]

I'd at least count Goku fighting Freeza and Cell in hell as a sub-boss fight. The anime hypes it up, and it does last quite a while given the length of the actual arc itself.

Garlic Jr's weaker than every named baddie in the arc that comes after him. So that counts for the reverse.

Isn't one of the movie baddies meant to be stronger than the main movie baddie of the next film too?

Yeah, the writer of the movies said that every villain Goku fights is stronger than the last villain Goku fights.

[Kid Buu]

Goku doesn't fight Bio-Broli though. Weaker than M10 Broli?

Golden Freeza is also weaker than Beerus.

[RandomGuy96]

Goku doesn't fight Bio-Broli though. Weaker than M10 Broli?

Golden Freeza is also weaker than Beerus.

Probably. The context of Koyama's statement was that he couldn't think up a stronger villain than Broly, but still had to make each villain stronger than the last, and so used him three times.

[Gaffer Tape]

Awesome!

Anymore DBTV coming any time soon?

Not in the traditional sense, but there will be three movies covered during the Freeza Arc. That's not exactly TV though, huh? Well, what about the Bardock Special? Does that count? Because that will be coming down the pipe during the Freeza Arc.

[LordCrumb]

Awesome!

Anymore DBTV coming any time soon?

Not in the traditional sense, but there will be three movies covered during the Freeza Arc. That's not exactly TV though, huh? Well, what about the Bardock Special? Does that count? Because that will be coming down the pipe during the Freeza Arc.

[Gaffer Tape]

DBD: The Freeza Arc Part 3!

Yes, despite what the thread title says, the series does have a new episode. The fact that I managed to make it on the scheduled upload day is a small miracle, so please allow me to share my story.

First off, I just did two shows back to back. I closed a performance of Big Fish: The Musical, and the very next weekend, I opened a shadowcast of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. So I was already behind the eight ball and not sure how I was going to get this video done in time.

But as if that wasn't fun enough, yesterday, my apartment started doing this weird thing, which it is still doing, where the power flickers or shorts or surges every few minutes. I'm not sure exactly what's happening, but it means the lights are at different intensities every few minutes. It also means the A/C, refrigerator, microwave, and stove don't work. And it also means that every time a surge happens, I lose power. Since the computer I edit on has a dud battery, that meant every time the power surged, I'd lose the computer. So I thought that was endgame right there. But we figured out that, for some reason, perhaps because it has a built-in ground fault circuit interruptor, that the bathroom outlet was not affected by this. So picture me, huddled in my bathroom for hours last night, editing this while singing "All By Myself."

But as if THAT wasn't enough my computer also has a notorious tendency to overheat, and this was probably the worst I've ever seen it. Fortunately, it has built in safeguards that it just puts itself to sleep whenever it feels particularly put out. But when it was writing the final file, it was literally cutting out every minute and a half. So I had to stay and babysit it all morning, turning it back on over and over again, hoping that the resulting file would be useable.

And that probably wouldn't have been so bad. I've long had to be in the habit of stashing ice under my computer. But as I said, the appliances weren't working, so I didn't even have any ice. Anyway, I finally picked up a bag this morning, poured it into a bread pan, and that got me just far enough to get this video uploaded before it passed out again.

So hopefully this turned out okay. But I don't even want to think about YouTube for a little while! =P

[Nejishiki]

My, now I'd say that's accomplishing multiple forms of art from adversity! Try not not to neglect your health so often.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Kaio can not send Goku from the afterlife to Earth but, he can send this new clothes straight to Goku´s hospital room

I didn´t catch that until you brought it up. This kind of small (nitpicky) inconsitencies (if you could call them that) makes the series much more entertaining to me.

[Gaffer Tape]

*I* never noticed it until I was writing the script. And that honestly happens a lot, where I'm just hammering away at the keyboard, and suddenly something occurs to me that I'd never thought of before, and it becomes one of my favorite things. =P

[ekrolo2]

The only explanation for King Kai not sending him to Earth is that he's likes being a dick to humans

[coola]

Also didn't noticed that As for scouters, i agree, it was really dumb, and anime have bunch of Freeza soldiers on ship, and none have scouters But..i understand Toriyama had to handicap Freeza team somehow, kinda like God of War 2 and 3 have Kratos lose all his powers.