Trunks vs King Cold

[VegettoEX]

Yeah, that's something that's always bugged me. "These androids are stronger!"

Umm... why? They're the same damn things.

I guess the idea that not all timelines / dimensions progress equally and in synch with one another would be a great explanation. Perhaps chaos theory comes into play, as well; any tiny little event that's "different" in one timeline can totally change the events. Even just a single insect dying a second earlier than it was supposed to could totally throw things off.

[B-kun]

Yeah, that's something that's always bugged me. "These androids are stronger!"

Umm... why? They're the same damn things.

I guess the idea that not all timelines / dimensions progress equally and in synch with one another would be a great explanation. Perhaps chaos theory comes into play, as well; any tiny little event that's "different" in one timeline can totally change the events. Even just a single insect dying a second earlier than it was supposed to could totally throw things off.

Like that one ep of The Simpsons?

[James R. Cadwell]

AFAIK, it's only generally accepted that the "Artificial Humans" from the altered timeline are stronger than the ones from the original because Trunks said so. However; #17 tells "Future" Gohan that he only used 50% of his power to fight him in their last battle, and Gohan lost his arm.

So either:

(a): Trunks is much, much stronger than "Future" Gohan. So much stronger that he can fight the "Artificial Humans" when they're using 100% of their power and not suffer crippling injuries like Gohan did.

(b): The "Artificial Humans" never used their full power to fight Trunks. If this is true, then Trunks couldn't really say for certain that #17 and #18 from the altered timeline are stronger than the ones he was familiar with.

So personally, I don't think it's been definitely established that the "Artificial Humans" from the future are any weaker than the ones in the altered version of history.

[Ryu]

Personally I would go with B) as I think it would make the make the most sense. It just seems strange that the andriods were just so much stronger. Also I don't think Trunks knew that the andriods were holding back, I think Gohan was the only one that knew.

I don't know how reliable this quote can be considering it came from Bulma and what does she know about strength? But anyhow

Trunks: "Is this past trip really necessary? I'm strong enough to defeat the Cyborgs"

Bulma: "You're too naive, yes you've become very powerful, but have you forgotten about Gohan? He was about this strength when he was killed."

5 days later he wakes up in a hospital.

[Super Sonic]

The easiest way to defeat the androids which for some reason none of the Z-fighters did was to take advantage that #17 and 18 couldn't sense chi. Hold one down or distract them long enough for Krillin to decapitate them.

[Deus ex Machina]

The easiest way to defeat the androids which for some reason none of the Z-fighters did was to take advantage that #17 and 18 couldn't sense chi. Hold one down or distract them long enough for Krillin to decapitate them.

Yeah, I always wondered why Kuririn never did anything like that. But I guess it would be a really short saga

[PsyLiam]

I always used to think that too, and then I realised that there was one being who was immune to his Kienzan, and that was Perfect Cell. He got a perfect (ha!) hit on Cell's neck, and it did nothing.

But yeah, with everyone else, just get Tenshinhan to blind them (or anyone else, since everyone was using that move by the Freezer saga), and then Kuririn can chop their head off.

I agree with James too, that they were probably not any stronger, and it was just Trunks being confused. I can buy Chaos theory and all that, but can you imagine what the odds are on them looking, sounding and dressing exactly the same are, but being completely different strengths? Besides, if he could get the numbers of the artificial humans wrong...

I am confused as to why Jimmy keeps putting quotation marks around "artificial humans" though.