A question regarding Freeza's death

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:11 am

After being badly beaten by Goku, Freeza is scooped up by his father and his men, given mechanical replacements for his lost limbs, and heads back to earth for revenge.

He is stated to have gotten a great increase in power, and yet is defeated by Trunks so easily. My question is this:

Was Freeza using his full strength before he was disgracefully executed by Trunks? Freeza was always my favorite villain of the series and I've never been very happy about the way he eventually dies. (no matter how much he deserves it)

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:18 am

Horgus wrote:After being badly beaten by Goku, Freeza is scooped up by his father and his men, given mechanical replacements for his lost limbs, and heads back to earth for revenge.

He is stated to have gotten a great increase in power, and yet is defeated by Trunks so easily. My question is this:

Was Freeza using his full strength before he was disgracefully executed by Trunks? Freeza was always my favorite villain of the series and I've never been very happy about the way he eventually dies. (no matter how much he deserves it)

We'll never be completely certain if he was or wasn't. When sensing his power level, Gohan (who had been on Namek and witnessed Freeza's 100%) stated "This is only the tip off the iceberg" or something to that effect. When Trunks shows up, we don't actually see Freeza noticeably power up to take him on, though similar to the Androids, Freeza may not have to go through a 2 episode escapade of screaming and buffing up to get to his max. I mean he lost more of his body after Namek than Anakin Skywalker did in the Star Wars prequels. I guess in the end, it depends on your own point of view, as there really is no legit answer for this.

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Super_Vegeto · Post by **Super_Vegeto** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:22 am

We judging from when freeza was at 100%, his body was more bigger with the muscle increase. Then when he's facing trunk's he clearly is not in that form, so my guess is that he was at 50%, but even him going 100% his ass would still get served to him.

masenko · Post by **masenko** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:53 am

The concept of Freeza's power after being reconfigured is that he's just all around stronger so there is no way of telling if he's even capable of maxing out anymore. Toriyama needed to show how friggin' strong Trunks was so he took the strongest villian in the universe, made him stronger, and then chopped him up in a second. It just has to be looked at like even if he went 200%, it wouldn't matter.

lets go swimming · Post by **lets go swimming** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:08 am

Gohan says he wasn't at his maximum, and he's never shown or stated to power up, and he really never has time to before trunks kills him.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:33 am

Even though its probably not true, I like to believe that Freeza was not only caught off guard but not at his best. I don't like to bring Star Wars into it but its almost like the whole Anakin thing with episode three. I mean logically after having most of your body destroyed, you should be weaker, right? That's like saying, I don't know, Christopher Reeves was stronger after his accident then before it. It doesn't make much sense. I think I inadvertently started another Superman vs. Goku topic.
-Rick

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:15 pm

Or perhaps, perhaps the parts keep him at 100% power so that he doesn't have to bulge up anymore. Because let's face it, it'd be bothersome if he tried that again. "Argh! The nuts & bolts ripped my skin!!.. aw fiddlesticks! Now my arm's fallen off!"

Or I'll just follow the Anakin idea. XD Synthetic parts can't be a match for the original limbs.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:38 pm

I don't think he really had time to power up once he realized Trunks was tougher than expected. He fires a simple beam at Trunks, expecting to kill him, yet he dodges, shoots his own blast at Freeza, who dodges Trunks' blast (now he knows Trunks has more power than he lead on), and Trunks cuts him in half. Simply not enough time.

In the anime, however...

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:02 pm

Trunks is unlike the other warriors; Vegeta chastises him for not observing the same rules of honor they do when he simply wants to gang up on Cell and help Goku, sensu bean and all. So he just basically ambushed Freeza.

Freeza was probably stronger either way, though. Just look at the androids. He was basically an android like #17 and #18 at that point.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:50 pm

mAcChaos wrote:Trunks is unlike the other warriors; Vegeta chastises him for not observing the same rules of honor they do when he simply wants to gang up on Cell and help Goku, sensu bean and all. So he just basically ambushed Freeza.

Trunks is gangsta......well, realistically speaking, he did come from a pretty fucked up future so his actions are very understandable.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:55 pm

Sebastian (SB) wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:Trunks is unlike the other warriors; Vegeta chastises him for not observing the same rules of honor they do when he simply wants to gang up on Cell and help Goku, sensu bean and all. So he just basically ambushed Freeza.
Trunks is gangsta......well, realistically speaking, he did come from a pretty fucked up future so his actions are very understandable.

Gangsta?! More like, more like wanksta, mwahahaha! *is beaten* Anyway, Krillin commented on how the villains get all of the "cooler" stuff. If Gero had the technology to make the androids so strong, it wouldn't seem so bizarre to see Freeza getting cool stuff, too. But my respect for Freeza forces me to think that he was not only weaker from his battle against Goku on Namek, but he was also caught off guard. Tupac lives.
-Rick

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:57 pm

If they could make themselves stronger than Frieza using technoligy they would. Conclusion: Dr. Gero is one of the biggest geniuses of the universe and Frieza didn't become much stronger.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:10 am

IMHO I'd say he wasn't using full power. Mainly because he looked so damn shcocked when Trunks snuck up behind him and the fact he bulked up tremendously on Namek when he was at 100%

lets go swimming · Post by **lets go swimming** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:46 am

I don't know why any one isn't certain about it, he's stated to not be at full power, by the only person that witnessed furiza's full power besides goku.

Furiza also states that he's stronger, and he would have to be to try to challenge goku again.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:07 pm

I just assume that Freeza was at his full power when Trunks killed him. It's true that he wasn't beefed up or surrounded by Ki, but there's little point in stating Freeza's strength was greater than before if he didn't get the chance to use it.

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:14 pm

Yes, but Gohan also mentions that the humungous power Yamcha was sensing was just the beginning, and his power was going to get a lot bigger.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:27 pm

But didnt Gohan say that prior to the fight? Freeza wouldn't necessarily need to spend any great amount of time powering-up to reach his maximum since he was already in his final (now only) form.

And aside from that, supposing Freeza was already at his full power when Gohan claimed that it was still "the tip of the iceberg", there could be a dramatic difference in the way his power level would feel out of battle and during.

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