Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by ABED » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:58 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Is there really a reason to have conflict occur in any storyline?
Conflict is the essence of drama.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:58 pm

It would make more sense if Trunks's "time machine" was like a universe jumper. After the whole Cell thing, I'm not sure if it's feasible for him to return to the past again. The first time, he didn't know that it wouldn't change anything for his timeline, but now he does. And if he's doing it to save that reality... then why not use the time machine infinite times and save every reality? I guess he could gain experience and find a way to defeat whatever evil he faces with the help of Goku and his friends (now he's a Saiyan - strong; Pialf... oh god... no, no...), so I hope that's the direction they're going in.

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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by jjgp1112 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:04 pm

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jjgp1112 wrote:Is there really a reason to have conflict occur in any storyline?
Conflict is the essence of drama.
Well yeah, that's what I was saying. It was sarcasm. I just don't get why Dragon Ball fans in particular are so protective of characters.
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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:32 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
ABED wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Is there really a reason to have conflict occur in any storyline?
Conflict is the essence of drama.
Well yeah, that's what I was saying. It was sarcasm. I just don't get why Dragon Ball fans in particular are so protective of characters.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by ABED » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:41 pm

I don't have a problem with the characters constantly having to struggle, but Trunks' was wrapped up perfectly. It would be like continuing The Road To Perdition.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by Cipher » Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:02 pm

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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by Scarlet Spider » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:49 pm

Noah wrote:I'll start with this quote:
Scarlet Spider wrote:When will Future Trunks be happy and not experience loss/suffering?

I know we're all waiting and anxious for the next arc, for the promised shift tone, but... Didn't you guys feel sorry for Mirai Trunks? Bringing him back to despair was the only way for we to get a dark, serious story? I mean his story was complete, he came back to the past to find a way to defeat the Androids that disgraced his life in his timeline, he did it, so then he could rebuilt Earth, live in peace, finally.

It's like they run out of ideas: reviving Freeza, bringing back Mirai Trunks for pure fanservice, I really hope this arc to be good, but I still think It could be done in another way.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by LordCrumb » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:17 pm

This thread is hilarious. "Suffer again". It's on the verge of talking like he's a real person.

Future Trunks was a highly anticipated character when he showed up in Z, and turned out to be a great character too. The jump back to his timeline to wrap up the Androids was very well done, but does that mean he would never have another villain to go up against? how many times do we get villain after villain for the other characters, but for some reason Trunks gets a pass because he's on his own? BAH!

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Post by Captain Strawberry » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:18 pm

Peeps will always go through trials and tribulations, no matter how strong they are. :p
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer aga

Post by MetaMoss » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:34 pm

I've got a cynical answer and an optimistic answer to this question.

The cynical answer has already been outlined pretty well by Cipher, but I can elaborate a bit.

My more optimistic answer is that having Future Trunks struggle against threats after the Artificial Humans actually does make sense and is an interesting narrative choice. "Happily Ever After" is something that extremely rarely (if ever) happens in reality, after all. With the nature of Dragon Ball's world(s), there was certain to be something out there to threaten Future Trunks' Earth, and we can be certain Trunks has little to help him against these threats. Yes, him going back in time to find help is definitely a repeat of his previous appearance, but what else could he have done in the situation? Taking a trip back to the past worked the last time Trunks needed help defeating a powerful foe, so why would he not do it again?
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

Post by Noah » Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:43 pm

Funny thing that when I made this thread I never thought we would his end would turn be worse then after he killed the androids back to his timeline
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

Post by Cipher » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:58 am

Funnier thing is when I made that post, I never imagined the arc would actually be affecting and feel justified from a story perspective.

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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:59 pm

In any long running series, the characters are going to suffer by the nature of storytelling being based in conflict. It's one of the reasons you get basically every will they won't they couple making up and breaking up several times. If you want a happy ending, it depends on where you stop the story.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

Post by ChronoTwigger » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:16 pm

ABED wrote:In any long running series, the characters are going to suffer by the nature of storytelling being based in conflict. It's one of the reasons you get basically every will they won't they couple making up and breaking up several times. If you want a happy ending, it depends on where you stop the story.
Conflict anyway doesn't mean loss or tragedy all the time. You can win a conflict and in fact this happen more times than defeat. While consequences lead to more uncertain fields (Harry WIN the Quidditch challenge, but that expose him to more dangerous grounds - a simple example of positive conflict).

As Japanese feel more comfortable with a working model and repeat it ad libitum, if FTrunks suffer from losses and sell, so EVERYTIME FTrunks will suffer from losses. Believe me: if Trunks was an happy ending, pointless chara but people liked him, you'll get him anew pointless and giggling.
Japanese are all about perfectionism of what already worked, while western narration model is more (or WAS more) about experiment on new topics and new narrative techniques. Well, now is more about redo cinema scripts, but that's another story.
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Re: Is there really a reason to make Mirai Trunks suffer again?

Post by ABED » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:33 pm

ChronoTwigger wrote:
ABED wrote:In any long running series, the characters are going to suffer by the nature of storytelling being based in conflict. It's one of the reasons you get basically every will they won't they couple making up and breaking up several times. If you want a happy ending, it depends on where you stop the story.
Conflict anyway doesn't mean loss or tragedy all the time. You can win a conflict and in fact this happen more times than defeat. While consequences lead to more uncertain fields (Harry WIN the Quidditch challenge, but that expose him to more dangerous grounds - a simple example of positive conflict).

As Japanese feel more comfortable with a working model and repeat it ad libitum, if FTrunks suffer from losses and sell, so EVERYTIME FTrunks will suffer from losses. Believe me: if Trunks was an happy ending, pointless chara but people liked him, you'll get him anew pointless and giggling.
Japanese are all about perfectionism of what already worked, while western narration model is more (or WAS more) about experiment on new topics and new narrative techniques. Well, now is more about redo cinema scripts, but that's another story.
Okay, your big point? If they are going to bring back a character like Future Trunks, it should be for something more than just another body.
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