Is Super just filler??

[Diggz92]

I don't know if this been discussed if so delete and discard. As much as I love and hate the series for its animation but like that we have dragon ball back its great to watch. Getting straight to the point as far as we know SUPER is in between the aftermath of boo and the end of Z, so with us not having so much of a hint except guessing how many years or months are skipped between each episode or arc. We know there is a limit amount of content before we rewrite the end of Z. With the arcs being so short and things moving by so quickly you have to wonder?

[sintzu]

In a way it is cause it's being made to fill in the 10 year gap between Buu's defeat and the 25th Tenkaichi.

[Saturnine]

Not filler by the technical definition, since the major plot sagas are written by the original creator of the series.

I would like it to go beyond EoZ though. Not as far as GT, but it sure could.

[Lord Beerus]

Hard to tell as of now, because if it goes beyond EOZ it could potentially count as a continuation of the story if Toriyama is still around providing plot outline by the time the plot reaches that point.

[HybridSaiyan]

To me, yes. Although I count the two movies canon instead. Super is just silly as it contradicts everything in Z. Toriyama and Toei need to re-watch Dragon Ball Z and the previous 13 movies.

[Grimlock]

Not entirely, but due to many contradictions, plot holes and such, I don't take Dragon Ball Super's retelling of the movies as canon, accepting just the movies are fine. Also, this mini-arc is clearly filler to give time to Toriyama to write about Future Trunks saga.

So far, Super only presented the "Gods Tournament" and will present Future Trunks saga, legitimately canon.

[Ozotto]

I don't think it impacts DBZ at all.

It's a continuation of Kai.

I would say it's canon with Kai.

Too many retcons, contradictions for the original DBZ.
Keep classic DBZ the way it was, it was just fine.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Everything that happens in Super is canon.

[Saturnine]

To me, yes. Although I count the two movies canon instead. Super is just silly as it contradicts everything in Z. Toriyama and Toei need to re-watch Dragon Ball Z and the previous 13 movies.

And why should they care about the 13 theatrical movies, exactly?

[Kuririn Fan]

In a way it is cause it's being made to fill in the 10 year gap between Buu's defeat and the 25th Tenkaichi.

28th Budokai.

To me, yes. Although I count the two movies canon instead. Super is just silly as it contradicts everything in Z. Toriyama and Toei need to re-watch Dragon Ball Z and the previous 13 movies.

4 Dragon Ball and 13 Z movies are not canon.

[TheMikado]

To me, yes. Although I count the two movies canon instead. Super is just silly as it contradicts everything in Z. Toriyama and Toei need to re-watch Dragon Ball Z and the previous 13 movies.

And why should they care about the 13 theatrical movies, exactly?

Well ignoring the movies it does appear the writers are pretty rusty on Dragonball lore so I prefer it being relegated to the ranks and reverence of "filler". The fact that this question is even being asked (multiple times now) while the show is still in production and airing speaks volumes.

[Beerus-sama]

At this moment, I think most of it is (the retellings and the last mini story took 30+ episodes of Super, so...)

[Faisal Shourov]

Nothing in Super is filler, it's direct continuation to the manga

[Araki]

By that logic, every prequel of anything is filler, no matter whether the author is involved or not.

As for Super, the logic is pretty simple: as long as the creator don't come out and say it's just a side story - like he did with GT, which we know IS just a chunk of filler - then, it's canon. Since that didn't happen and the author is coming up with the plots himself, then the burden of proof is with whoever claims it's not canon. Not the other way around.

[sintzu]

As for Super, the logic is pretty simple: as long as the creator don't come out and say it's just a side story - like he did with GT, which we know IS just a chunk of filler - then, it's canon.

Since that didn't happen and the author is coming up with the plots himself, then the burden of proof is with whoever claims it's not canon. Not the other way around.

Filler has 2 meanings :

1- Story(s) set between 2 events to fill in the blank period of time between them which is what Super is doing.
2- Stories or portions added to a manga based anime so it won't catch up to the manga.

GT obviously doesn't fit either so it's not filler, it's a direct sequel to the manga set after its ending.

In terms of GT and Super's level of canon to the manga it can go either way :

Let's start with GT, it was released directly after the manga's last episodes, it's production quality and writing are a lot closer to the original & for 15 years it was widely accepted and acknowledged as the manga's sequel and franchise's ending.

The only thing that Super currently has going for it is Toriyama's name so would you consider it canon over GT if it didn't have it ? Do you consider Super more canon than GT because of it's writing or because of who's writing it ? do you consider Ssjg/b the true next Ssj stage because of the form itself or because of who wrote it ?

[Xeztin]

It's "Filling" the gaps but it's apparently "canon" Having said that, I think the EOZ will be rewritten so that we can move past it.

[Kuririn Fan]

It's "Filling" the gaps but it's apparently "canon" Having said that, I think the EOZ will be rewritten so that we can move past it.

It probably won't.

[Kuririn Fan]

As for Super, the logic is pretty simple: as long as the creator don't come out and say it's just a side story - like he did with GT, which we know IS just a chunk of filler - then, it's canon.

Since that didn't happen and the author is coming up with the plots himself, then the burden of proof is with whoever claims it's not canon. Not the other way around.

Filler has 2 meanings :

1- Story(s) set between 2 events to fill in the blank period of time between them which is what Super is doing.
2- Stories or portions added to a manga based anime so it won't catch up to the manga.

GT obviously doesn't fit either so it's not filler, it's a direct sequel to the manga set after its ending.

In terms of GT and Super's level of canon to the manga it can go either way :

Let's start with GT, it was released directly after the manga's last episodes, it's production quality and writing are a lot closer to the original & for 15 years it was widely accepted and acknowledged as the manga's sequel and franchise's ending.

The only thing that Super currently has going for it is Toriyama's name so would you consider it canon over GT if it didn't have it ? Do you consider Super more canon than GT because of it's writing or because of who's writing it ? do you consider Ssjg/b the true next Ssj stage because of the form itself or because of who wrote it ?

Toriyama changes everything, hes the orignal author. And only GT fans saw GT as official ending.

[TheMikado]

^we still don't know what they will do with GT and EOZ. You now have a ton of characters with time related abilities so it wouldn't be out of the question to just rewind all of time at the end of Super to allow EOZ and GT to fit.

Anyway, I've been hearing this "filler" stuff lately about the copy Vegeta arc. Why isn't the splice of life stuff considered filler? Or is it just because people didn't like it and if they accept it as canon their head will explode?

[sintzu]

You now have a ton of characters with time related abilities so it wouldn't be out of the question to just rewind all of time at the end of Super to allow EOZ and GT to fit.

Why isn't the splice of life stuff considered filler ?

There's no way they'll do something like that and when Super is over they'll more than likely start a new show set after it.

They are, at least that's how I look at them.