Plot Holes

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Recently read over the Boo saga and these few things came to mind:

1) After Super Boo leaves the rosat, he proceed to turn everyone into chocolate and Goku is shown watching the terrible events unfold. Shortly after, Goku (paraphrased) says: "There's no longer anyone to protect, but there's still hope as long as they have the dragon balls?? Goku was pretty surprised to see that Dende was alive a bit later, so what exactly is he talking about?

2) When Gotenks is shooting Chi-blasts at Boo, Piccolo tells him to stop or he might destroy a dragon ball by accident. By this point, Piccolo is under the impression that Dende had been eaten by Boo. Piccolo even tells Gohan the radar was irrelevant because Dende was gone, so why did he tell Gotenks he might destroy a dragon ball if there were none left to begin with?

Those seemed like some really WTF moments.

[LowRyder2005]

Regarding the first one, I suppose he thought he could teleport to Namek. If you think Kaioshin's Planet is in the afterlife and he can't move, maybe contacting the Namekian somehow (King Kai?) and have them use the Dragon Balls? It sounds somewhat credible to me.

Can't really find a credible explanation for the second one, though... Piccolo thinking that destroying a Dragon Ball (as a rock) meant they could not be restored even by other Dragon Balls? Uuuuh, well.
We do know that the Dragon Balls are destroyed and restored no problem at the end, anyway, so it'd sound strange for Piccolo not to know about it.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

That sounds reasonable, however:

-Goku seems to think the Earth is gone for good after Kid Boo destroyed it. That is until Dende told him they could just go to Namek and restore the planet, which seems to be a pleasant surprise to Goku.

-Goku doesn't think he'll be able to find Namek, but Kaioshin tells him that won't be an issue because he can teleport there without needing to find a Chi.

Don't get me wrong. Your explanation is the best possible one, but Goku's actions seem to imply he forgot about Namek being a factor. Had Dende not brought it up, there's a chance he would've never thought about it.

[LowRyder2005]

Ah! Haha, all right, white flag from me then. I had forgotten about those. I guess they really are writing hiccups (as much as Goku being able to follow and have the time to comment Gotenks and Buu fighting in the ROSAT ).

[silk]

I don't know if this is a plothole, but it is unexplained:

-When Goku and Vegeta were inside Super Buu's body, their small size made them a lot weaker to the point that Goku's ki blast couldn't cut through Super Buu, yet at the same time Super Buu was powered by a Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks of the same size.

Absorbing Gotenks was enough to turn the tables on Mystic Gohan, yet the Gotenks that was powering Buu was the size of a flea, since Gotenks and Super Buu were more or less equals at Gotenks' regular size, flea Gotenks should have barely increased Buu's power at all.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I don't think that's a plot-hole. The absorption's were directly attached to Boo, but Goku and Vegeta weren't.

What seems like a plot-hole is Super Boo being able to utilize Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks for much longer than Gotenks can actually do it himself. Then again, the above explanation (Boo's weirdness) might be the answer to that.

[RedSwissKnife]

The most famous one is probably when Goku goes looking for the Dragon Balls 8 months after they were used.

This isn't a plot hole. It wasn't stated anywhere in the manga that the dragonballs can't reactivate in 8 months. If it happened 1 or 2 months after the dragonballs were used, then yes it would be a huge inconsistency.

A plot hole is something that contradicts previously established facts. For example:

-Goku's brother Raditz said that Goku was sent to Earth on a mission to kill all the Earthlings and conquer the planet. Raditz also said that Goku was given instructions to look at the full Moon and use his oozaru form to kill the Earthlings quickly.
-in DragonBall Minus we see that none of that is true. Goku was sent to Earth secretly by his parents as a refugee to keep him safe from Freeza, and they even told him not to look at the full Moon.
Now that's a plot hole.

[Tyro]

The most famous one is probably when Goku goes looking for the Dragon Balls 8 months after they were used.

This isn't a plot hole. It wasn't stated anywhere in the manga that the dragonballs can't reactivate in 8 months. If it happened 1 or 2 months after the dragonballs were used, then yes it would be a huge inconsistency.

A plot hole is something that contradicts previously established facts.

Why is one or two months an inconsistency but eight months isn't? Is six months the invisible line in the sand for "approximately a year"?

The Dragon Balls are always said to take a year to restore themselves until Dende upgrades them in the Cell arc. Even God himself says so.

[dragon boss z]

Plot holes:

• When bulma used DB's, everyone killed on that day was revived, and no one even thought of gohan, kibito & kaioshin being revived. They thought gohan was dead.
• The people killed by majin vegeta were already brought back to life by bulma, so why bothering including that in vegeta's words, and goku agreeing with him (even though he knows they were brought back)
• Kaioshin thought SS gohan (vs dabura) >>> SS2 gohan (tournament) , he said that "What if it wasn't gohan's full power"
  "WOw, what an amazing performance gohan. Too bad kibito wassn't here to see your awesome power"
• SS gohan (MUCH weaker than CG) can seemingly fight an opponent stronger than perfect cell with a slight advantage
• Kaioshin saying that he can never forget that fearful-awful face of majin buu, while it was the face of great kaioshin. Not to mention that it was kid buu who killed the kaioshins, not fat buu.

Gohan was ssj2 against Dabura.

[Lord Beerus]

Plot holes:

• When bulma used DB's, everyone killed on that day was revived, and no one even thought of gohan, kibito & kaioshin being revived. They thought gohan was dead.
• The people killed by majin vegeta were already brought back to life by bulma, so why bothering including that in vegeta's words, and goku agreeing with him (even though he knows they were brought back)
• Kaioshin thought SS gohan (vs dabura) >>> SS2 gohan (tournament) , he said that "What if it wasn't gohan's full power"
  "WOw, what an amazing performance gohan. Too bad kibito wassn't here to see your awesome power"
• SS gohan (MUCH weaker than CG) can seemingly fight an opponent stronger than perfect cell with a slight advantage
• Kaioshin saying that he can never forget that fearful-awful face of majin buu, while it was the face of great kaioshin. Not to mention that it was kid buu who killed the kaioshins, not fat buu.

Gohan was ssj2 against Dabura.

Not this again...

[dragon boss z]

Plot holes:

• When bulma used DB's, everyone killed on that day was revived, and no one even thought of gohan, kibito & kaioshin being revived. They thought gohan was dead.
• The people killed by majin vegeta were already brought back to life by bulma, so why bothering including that in vegeta's words, and goku agreeing with him (even though he knows they were brought back)
• Kaioshin thought SS gohan (vs dabura) >>> SS2 gohan (tournament) , he said that "What if it wasn't gohan's full power"
  "WOw, what an amazing performance gohan. Too bad kibito wassn't here to see your awesome power"
• SS gohan (MUCH weaker than CG) can seemingly fight an opponent stronger than perfect cell with a slight advantage
• Kaioshin saying that he can never forget that fearful-awful face of majin buu, while it was the face of great kaioshin. Not to mention that it was kid buu who killed the kaioshins, not fat buu.

Gohan was ssj2 against Dabura.

Not this again...

It says so in the daizenshuu. Also his hair resembled ssj2. I made a thread about it on comic vine and almost every single person said he was ssj2.

[Grimlock]

Gohan's hair is consistent up until the 25º World Tournament, when one could see and tell the differences among his base, Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2's hair.

I don't remember an occasion where Toriyama forgot the lightnings, so... Pretty hard to say he's at Super Saiyan 2 in his battle against Dabra.

[dragon boss z]

Gohan's hair is consistent up until the 25º World Tournament, when one could see and tell the differences among his base, Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2's hair.

I don't remember an occasion where Toriyama forgot the lightnings, so... Pretty hard to say he's at Super Saiyan 2 in his battle against Dabra.

True, but Vegeta was mad Gohan wasn't winning, and neither Vegeta or Goku were wondering why he wasn't transforming. Gohan showed he can goo ss2 and there was no reason for him not to go ssj 2.

[ahill1]

about gohan's rage boost against freeza,i think gohan had a zenkai before that.

Both Kuririn and Gohan may have been around 20,000 ish when they thought Freeza, they were doing pretty well against a 23,000 BP Ginyu. Though arguably Ginyu was fending off both of them so I would still place them under the 20,000 mark. The first time Gohan has a rage boost against Freeza he hadn't got a zenkai yet. After that he received a zenkai and then another rage boost but this time against third form Freeza. So Gohan would still have had a sizeable zenkai as third form Freeza is much stronger than his second form. Arguably 2 million to 3 million. You could say that he was only 1.25 million as people have shown that, that sort of gap is enough to have clear superiority over their opponent though.

How strong do you think they were when fighting Freeza?

[dragon boss z]

about gohan's rage boost against freeza,i think gohan had a zenkai before that.

Both Kuririn and Gohan may have been around 20,000 ish when they thought Freeza, they were doing pretty well against a 23,000 BP Ginyu. Though arguably Ginyu was fending off both of them so I would still place them under the 20,000 mark. The first time Gohan has a rage boost against Freeza he hadn't got a zenkai yet. After that he received a zenkai and then another rage boost but this time against third form Freeza. So Gohan would still have had a sizeable zenkai as third form Freeza is much stronger than his second form. Arguably 2 million to 3 million. You could say that he was only 1.25 million as people have shown that, that sort of gap is enough to have clear superiority over their opponent though.

How strong do you think they were when fighting Freeza?

The last time their power was stated they were both just above 10,000. Krillin can't doesn't get zenkais so he would still be the same strength. As for Gohan he might of got a couple times stronger. He could only push Frieza with his rage boosts. His actual resting power level most likely didn't even come close to Frieza's first form.

[Khin]

Except Vegeta said that Kuririn and Gohan's battle power is still rising, probably due to Great Elder's power-up. And for them to be actually useful against Freeza, they should be way higher than a mere 11,000-ish battle power.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

[dragon boss z]

Except Vegeta said that Kuririn and Gohan's battle power is still rising, probably due to Great Elder's power-up. And for them to be actually useful against Freeza, they should be way higher than a mere 11,000-ish battle power.

Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5
Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”

It's not really clear if he meant they were literally rising every second or if they just seem to be getting stronger every battle they are in. I'm not sure if they even told Vegeta about Guru unlocking their potential, meaning he didn't know how Krillin jumped from around 1,500 to over 10,000 so quickly. As for Gohan he actually did get stronger since his potential unlocked because of his Zenkai from Recoom. He was probably close to 20,000.

[Khin]

It's not really clear if he meant they were literally rising every second or if they just seem to be getting stronger every battle they are in. I'm not sure if they even told Vegeta about Guru unlocking their potential, meaning he didn't know how Krillin jumped from around 1,500 to over 10,000 so quickly. As for Gohan he actually did get stronger since his potential unlocked because of his Zenkai from Recoom. He was probably close to 20,000.

On that line, you can clearly see how Vegeta believes that Kuririn and Gohan will be some help against Freeza. They wouldn't considered of worth if there battle powers is only around 11 thousand. And it matter doesn't if Vegeta didn't knew that Kuririn and Gohan was powered up by Guru as he witnessed himself how Kuririn and Gohan's power are rising overtime. Kuririn wouldn't be able to keep up with Ginyu if he's more than twice weaker than him. And Piccolo wouldn't consider Gohan and Kuririn's battle power in the same category as Vegeta if there BP is only around 10,000.

Gohan was probably around 30,000-ish when he fought Ginyu. As Gohan considered Ginyu-Goku's blast worthless, and Ginyu was only able to land hits on him because Gohan was reluctant to attack a guy who looks exactly like his father.

[Krillin1994]

Goku gets revived after training with king kai remains on the planet,

Piccolo gets revived after being on king kai's planet remains on the planet.

Tien, chiatzou and Yamcha after being on king kai's planet seem to instantly be on earth after being revived.

is this a plot hole? as that would require 6 wishes yes? plus then there is the wish to go to new namek.

Also they had to wish krillin to earth's check in station before he was revived, don't spirits automatically go to the check in station upon death? was Krillin's spirit just floating in Space?

[Cipher]

Goku gets revived after training with king kai remains on the planet,

Piccolo gets revived after being on king kai's planet remains on the planet.

Tien, chiatzou and Yamcha after being on king kai's planet seem to instantly be on earth after being revived.

is this a plot hole? as that would require 6 wishes yes? plus then there is the wish to go to new namek.

Also they had to wish krillin to earth's check in station before he was revived, don't spirits automatically go to the check in station upon death? was Krillin's spirit just floating in Space?

It's a plot hole in the anime. In the manga, their revival is glossed over in summary, so it's possible they still had to return to Earth the same way Goku did in the Saiyan arc

Re: Kuririn and Goku: Kaio says that those who haven't had their bodies restored in the afterlife by Kami will be revived where they died, which is consistent. Apparently being granted a body in the afterlife requires special intervention.