It's the same twin universe. Universes 6 and 7 are supposed to be more or less the same. Raditz didn't come from a planet that was supposed to be almost the same as Earth.apex_pretador wrote:we had a random alien who could've solo'd entire earth + Piccolo + Goku + God at the same time too.TheMikado wrote:I'm not sure if you mean what I'm suggesting or that the plot basically implies that. It's not my fault that base Cabba is casually much stronger than Majin Buu/SSJ3 Goku/Gotenks.Do you know how unrealistic that sounds?
I understand the only thing that would make sense is a two base theory but we haven't even been graced with a @sspull explanation like that yet. Cabba could probably solo the entire Dragonball Z series in his sleep.
No one said a single thing because he was from a different planet.
Here, why should there be an issue when cabba is from a different universe?
"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
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Let's not forget the Saiyans of Universe 6 have a different upbringing. They're peaceful, so their population is probably larger and they fight to be heroes of the universe instead of wanting to dominate the universe. They're sure to have some advantages to advancing themselves compared to their self-destructive Universe 7 twins, especially since they've evolved to the point of no longer needing to rely on the Oozaru form.Alruneia wrote:It's the same twin universe. Universes 6 and 7 are supposed to be more or less the same. Raditz didn't come from a planet that was supposed to be almost the same as Earth.
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Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Duo wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Um... Copy Vegeta made a fool out of SS3 Gotenks and base Goku was equal to him.Chelentano wrote:He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Duo wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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In ROF base goku dominated final form freeza, while others could not do shit against first form.
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Yeah, on a silly filler. People is getting too serious with power levels when the source material does not.Doctor. wrote:Um... Copy Vegeta made a fool out of SS3 Gotenks and base Goku was equal to him.Chelentano wrote:He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Duo wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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You've also got to remember, its quite possible Gotenks is nowhere near where he used to be in the Boo Saga. The boys don't train and if Gohan's any indication, they've probably lost a great deal of power too.Doctor. wrote:Um... Copy Vegeta made a fool out of SS3 Gotenks and base Goku was equal to him.Chelentano wrote:He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Duo wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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The boys haven't trained for around 5 years, Gohan didn't train for 12, and Gohan didn't get any weaker until after the 11 years, as far as we know (he only lost the ability to get stronger through hit rage after 7 years). If you want to assume that they got weaker, you'll need some proof first.ekrolo2 wrote:You've also got to remember, its quite possible Gotenks is nowhere near where he used to be in the Boo Saga. The boys don't train and if Gohan's any indication, they've probably lost a great deal of power too.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Gohan got weaker for not training after 7 years though it didn't seem like a vast issue. Then after attaining the peak of his power, for 4 years he was fine then after Beerus arrived his power just plummeted horribly all of a sudden. There's no real proof that Gotenks is weaker in the context of the show but I wouldn't doubt it if he too got nerfed just to make Goku and Vegeta look cool as did Gohan.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The boys haven't trained for around 5 years, Gohan didn't train for 12, and Gohan didn't get any weaker until after the 11 years, as far as we know (he only lost the ability to get stronger through hit rage after 7 years). If you want to assume that they got weaker, you'll need some proof first.ekrolo2 wrote:You've also got to remember, its quite possible Gotenks is nowhere near where he used to be in the Boo Saga. The boys don't train and if Gohan's any indication, they've probably lost a great deal of power too.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Yeah, on a silly filler. People is getting too serious with power levels when the source material does not.[/quote]Chelentano wrote:Um... Copy Vegeta made a fool out of SS3 Gotenks and base Goku was equal to him.Doctor. wrote:He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Chelentano wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
Until it was stated it was not it's canon Base goku and vegeta are stronger than ssj3 gotenks nothing gonna change that plus evidence that supports them being stronger in base people need to stop acting like this is impossible in db.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Gohan remained exactly as strong as he was in the Cell Games, he just lost the rage boost ability.ekrolo2 wrote:Gohan got weaker for not training after 7 years though it didn't seem like a vast issue. Then after attaining the peak of his power, for 4 years he was fine then after Beerus arrived his power just plummeted horribly all of a sudden. There's no real proof that Gotenks is weaker in the context of the show but I wouldn't doubt it if he too got nerfed just to make Goku and Vegeta look cool as did Gohan.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The boys haven't trained for around 5 years, Gohan didn't train for 12, and Gohan didn't get any weaker until after the 11 years, as far as we know (he only lost the ability to get stronger through hit rage after 7 years). If you want to assume that they got weaker, you'll need some proof first.ekrolo2 wrote:You've also got to remember, its quite possible Gotenks is nowhere near where he used to be in the Boo Saga. The boys don't train and if Gohan's any indication, they've probably lost a great deal of power too.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Gohan was around equal to dabura who was perfect cell level. That means he was weaker. Also, there hasn't been any evidence he lost his rage boost ability. The only time he was put into a situation where he would rage was against super boo. And by then it was because he had his potential unlocked so he was always using his rage boost powerGohan remained exactly as strong as he was in the Cell Games, he just lost the rage boost ability.
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Has anyone thought that the reason Toriyama did have Buu fight in the tournament was not just for comedy but becuase he would not be able to do anything.
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dabura was playing with gohankinisking wrote:Gohan was around equal to dabura who was perfect cell level. That means he was weaker. Also, there hasn't been any evidence he lost his rage boost ability. The only time he was put into a situation where he would rage was against super boo. And by then it was because he had his potential unlocked so he was always using his rage boost powerGohan remained exactly as strong as he was in the Cell Games, he just lost the rage boost ability.
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In my opinion Buu could've defeated everyone except Hit and possibly Botamo.namekiansaiyan wrote:Has anyone thought that the reason Toriyama did have Buu fight in the tournament was not just for comedy but becuase he would not be able to do anything.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
We just see Vegeta and Cabba spar a little before transformation comes into play. Nothing tells us specifically that Vegeta has amped up to his full power or anything like that. It's a big, nonsensical stretch to declare that untransformed Cabba would be able to contend with Majin Buu.
Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō
Not sure if you regularly watch the series but there is plenty of evidence to show that base Goku/Vegeta are at/above SSJ3 Goku level. Base Vegeta's comments to base Cabba imply that Cabba is somewhere in that same vicinity in base form.Chelentano wrote:He stood against Vegeta base form and people are saying that Goku and Vegeta base form are now stronger than Majin Buu, which is implied nowhere.Duo wrote:Wait, in what way is it shown that Cabba is stronger than Majin Buu?
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Base goku punching out beerus energy ball is enough to say hes above anyone from the buu saga dont see anyone from the buu saga doing that at all.
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Does that count Bootenks, Boohan and any version of Vegetto too despite the fact they weren't in the story and its a total crap-shoot what Vegetto's ceiling even is since we don't even get a good sense for his max power as a mere Super Saiyan.pacz360 wrote:Base goku punching out beerus energy ball is enough to say hes above anyone from the buu saga dont see anyone from the buu saga doing that at all.
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