Should Super have skipped RoF?

[Fizzer]

The Resurrection F arc seems to receive particularly harsh criticism as essentially a non-story which brings back a non-threatening villain and breaks the more natural progression from the Beerus arc to the Champa arc. All it really seems to achieve is introducing Super Saiyan Blue before it's used in the U6 tournament.

Do you like this arc or think it has much to add to the story or characters? If you had your way would you have handled this section differently?

For me, it does offer a better unveiling of Blue than if it had simply come up in training or first been used by Vegeta against Cabba, only to be instantly stomped by Hit. Other than that though, it seems extremely pointless, especially since Vegeta sort of gets his revenge "match" with Frost in the next arc. It undermines how strong the main has become and also makes the destruction of Earth seem almost mundane by making it instantly reversible.

[pacz360]

The Resurrection F arc seems to receive particularly harsh criticism as essentially a non-story which brings back a non-threatening villain and breaks the more natural progression from the Beerus arc to the Champa arc. All it really seems to achieve is introducing Super Saiyan Blue before it's used in the U6 tournament.

Do you like this arc or think it has much to add to the story or characters? If you had your way would you have handled this section differently?

For me, it does offer a better unveiling of Blue than if it had simply come up in training or first been used by Vegeta against Cabba, only to be instantly stomped by Hit. Other than that though, it seems extremely pointless, especially since Vegeta sort of gets his revenge "match" with Frost in the next arc. It undermines how strong the main has become and also makes the destruction of Earth seem almost mundane by making it instantly reversible.

Yesssssss rof it was bad fan fiction that became canon it added nothing but recolored deviant art tier transformations at least the movie version was enjoyable the tv arc was however the worst arc in the franchise history it makes super 17 arc look like it was written by shakespeare freeza getting asspull power up,gohan looking and getting treated like a bitch,goku regressed development,lack of danger,piccolo dying, misues of ginyu, making the z fighters vs mooks looking dreadeful, the fights in general in that arc ,etc the movie was nothing but fanservice something you expect from toei than really.

[Lord Beerus]

Looking at it from a business perspective, no. Once they retold Battle Of Gods they pretty much had to retell the events of Resurrection F to ensure that the TV audience were up to date with recent new stories of Dragon Ball, and it paid of in spades given how merchandise sales spiked the year the movie retellings took place.

[Ajay]

Yes, and not just Super. I think I'd rather that film simply didn't exist, with instead all of the important overarching plot points weaved into the Universe 6 tournament. It would have served as the perfect sequel to Battle of Gods.

I highly recommend checking out Hail Zeon's "Resurrection 'F' Never Should Have Happened" video. Though I don't necessarily agree with every single idea in there, it's a well-thought out and interesting take on how to reshape the arc's content to fit in the remnants of the Golden Freeza tale.

[TheBritWriter]

The RoF arc had it's moments though I have to admit it simply couldn't fit the requirements in, I think RoF should have happened after universe 6 tournament with SSB revealed (with the same outcome) followed by vegeta persuading whis to do the training and then becoming a SSB.

The problem with SSB isn't the design or colouring, it's more that the excuse of it is just out of the blue (no pun intended) and convenient for the occasion. Goku's first SSJ form was out of sheer desperation and hate after using everything he had. In RoF Goku's form just happens and isn't pushed his limits to earning it. I would personally had rearranged events and have SSB come out of desperation to win against Hit, then in RoF a slightly cocky goku feeling he's adapted to the new form is taken aback by frieza's new form.

That's my main fault with RoF it is pushed on a schedule and could have in my opinion been a stronger arc had it came later, I don't think it should had been skipped as the ending adaption was still good but it shouldn't had been straight after BoG arc with some elements that feel forced.

[sintzu]

The movie's story was very rushed and lackluster compared to its arc so for that alone it was worth the remake, even though its production quality was a mess for the most part.

The one they should've skipped was BOG because they didn't add or change anything like they did with RF, instead it was the exact same story but dragged out across 14 episodes, it had less location than the movie and they left out some plot points like how the Pilaf gang turned into kids and the part about Goku and Vegeta's pride.

[FortuneSSJ]

No. But it shouldn't have been rushed.

[Avok]

The movie itself should have never been made in the first place.

One of the lowest points in the whole franchise. I can't even think of something good about it, not even the SSB.

[FortuneSSJ]

The movie itself should have never been made in the first place.

One of the lowest points in the whole franchise.

I wished all "the lowest points" in the whole franchise made so much money as ROF Movie did.

[TheBritWriter]

The movie itself should have never been made in the first place.

One of the lowest points in the whole franchise. I can't even think of something good about it, not even the SSB.

You need to realize that ROF made a lot money, and in part deserved it so an adaption was inevitable, and it had good parts, frieza calling gohan 'goku' while repeatedly shooting holes was good, were there parts rushed? Absolutely, but it wasn't the lowest point of the franchise, there has been worse. I say it's fault is that it wasn't given the time to develop and pushed forward to an arc after another and not just after BoG arc.

[Draconic]

I was always of the opinion that Super shouldn't have retold RoF so quickly after the movie came out. BoG I was fine with since it introduces most of the concepts going forward. However, I think the 13 (?) episodes retelling RoF could have been better used by expanding on Whis' training and giving a clear explaination of how Goku and Vegeta achieved SSB, breaking it up with a Jaco episode, or a Krillin one maybe. Then, before the Champa arc you could have made that recap episode be a recap of the movie, since it was self contained enough and the status quo was the same at the end of it and you could have continued the same way they did. In that way you could have cut the corners in animation in preparation for the tournament, without sacrificing an actual important fight. I bet people would have been more forgiving of them too, as training episodes never really had great animation before, nor it is that important, as compared to fights which should never look as bad as Goku vs Freeza did.

[Avok]

I wished all "the lowest points" in the whole franchise made so much money as ROF Movie did.

And your point is?

You need to realize that ROF made a lot money, and in part deserved it so an adaption was inevitable, and it had good parts, frieza calling gohan 'goku' while repeatedly shooting holes was good, were there parts rushed? Absolutely, but it wasn't the lowest point of the franchise, there has been worse. I say it's fault is that it wasn't given the time to develop and pushed forward to an arc after another and not just after BoG arc.

I can't recall other arc that is so bad as both the movie and TV adaptation of RoF, (with the latter being marginally worse than the film).
Maybe some of the fillers of Z (and none come to mind), but a major arc? Nope.

Not even with 30 episodes they could have done better. The problem lies in the ideas behind the arc/movie. The execution is just the after effect.

[TheBritWriter]

Possibly but films make money on the repeated viewings and ROF had a story that flawed, was for many worth seeing again, so you can say in your opinion the movie was bad but it grossed a very healthy sum so it has done something right.

The arc could had strengthened the story from the movie but there was the factor of a rushed schedule that was obvious, and some changes I felt led nowhere, I didn't mind ginyu's return at the time but it added nothing. That could had been cut out, or used to develop something else. I am of the belief that ROF could had been better were it introduced later and more was established on SSB.

I was very surprised the anime didn't include the manga adaption of goku biting his tongue after trying to say SSGSSB in full.

And it is bizarre that animation wasn't handled well, despite being an adaption of the movie but the build up to the black goku arc looks amazing even though it is not adapted from an existing arc.

[KidGokuDB]

Yes, I would prefer if the show just went to recap the events of the movie by highlights. Super Saiyan Blue was a must to bring up even if the way I found RoF to show it off was completely underwhelming. The arc was so BORING for me to watch in Super outside of a few moments. And the fresh ideas they do add to it (that I liked) compared to the movie are so little.

Appearances by Captain Ginyu and Gotenks sound cool, right? Wrong. No decent battle from Gotenks just a small joke. I get Gotenks is a joke character but that was lame. And Ginyu was only there to give Vegeta a quick W before messing up with Frieza and more nostalgia.

Want to know more about Frieza's training? Sorry, you only get this short scene of Tagoma training with him.

It sucked and stopping it from existing would be the best change I could ask for.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Super should've skipped both ROF and BOG. Retelling the movies is one of the many problems i have with Super. ROF was a pointless movie and the arc was beyond shit but BOG arc ain't that good either the movie was good but the arc had some dreadful pacing and it really was a waste of time. If Super had started from U6 i would've had less problems with it.

- Travis

[ATEMVEGETA]

No!!!!!!!!

[Khin]

They shouldn't even retell the movies in the first place and just do a little recap episode like they did in episode 30. But RoF Arc wasn't that bad (Except for episode 23,24. and 25), the slice of life episodes. SS Satan, Goku and Vegeta's training, etc are quite enjoyable in my opinion. I give TOEI credit for actually fixing some plot holes like the 1.3 Million line, or Goten and Trunks not even sensing some large ki. They also made the Sorbet ring scene vastly better compared to the movie, and made it a bit easier to swallow. I think most people are just overreacting over it. Sure, it could've been better, but it wasn't "beyond shit" or other straight up exaggeration like that, Not to mention new viewers would think the SSB just came out of nowhere in the Champa Arc.

[TekTheNinja]

No!!!!!!!!

Care to explain why not?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Resurrection F was dumb fun. It was the final test of the water. It did well and Super was born. Should Super have skipped it? Yes just like with BoG but they didn't because I don't think the U6 was ready yet so they decided to retell the movies. But what I think happened was by the time the F arc rolled out it was infact ready hence why the Manga was able to skip but they probably already committed at this stage to retelling F so they went ahead anyway hence probably why it felt rush.

Also I agree with Ajay in the sense AT might have regretted doing F first because Goku and Vegeta were in Regular SS first but it is what it is I love Resurrection "F" Super arc sucked but the movie awesome!

[LightBing]

After knowing how it was handled, yes.
Previously I was hopeful that the anime would try to correct the movies bad writing, which they tried. Unfortunately there wasn't enough guts to gut - pun intended - some chunks of it.
The moment they brought back Ginyu, the arc turned awful. This ignoring any animation and fight's quality. They added character moments to Kuririn, Kame-Sennin, Gohan took center stage, they gave us a bit of Freeza and Tagoma's training. Tagoma was looking like such a cool and menacing secondary villain and they get Gotenks to headbutt him in the balls, just to be quickly replaced with Ginyu...
That was the episode I was most disappointed in Super, by far.

I still believe if they tried hard enough, they could have improved the movie enough to be decent. Just having Goku power down before being lasered goes a long way. Improvements like that across the board would be enough to make the arc average at least.
Like many repeated here, RoF doesn't fit in Super. Clearly because it was written as a fun, brainless continuation of BoG without the strain of building the future.

I think it would've been so much better if they made two separate story lines. The first one would be some wacky and grueling training until Goku and Vegeta achieved SSJB. The other Freeza forces invade, with some mercenaries and a guy like Tagoma who could rival Gohan and Piccolo, Goku and Vegeta wouldn't even participate. Or if they really wanted to use Freeza, have him destroy a planet or two in anger after being revived, discovering by accident his Gold Form which made him rival Gohan. Making his revenge attempt not so forced.