Lord Beerus wrote:Goten is actually quite popular for a flat character. He has nowhere near the same hate that Jason did when fans got sick of him and wanted him to get killed off.
*Puts on his massive nerd glasses*
Actually, there's a strong possibility just one guy who disliked Jason cheated the system they setup to get Jason killed instead of it being this massive movement.
That's just one theory/rumor/conspiracy that has never been proven.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Anyone been listening to Hikari no Willpower AND Battle Power Unlimited (the latter song is used in the JP version of DBZ for F. Trunks vs. Frieza, BTW.)
Also, I've been watching the TFS version of the History of Trunks special. Heck, I've just watching tons of stuff pertaining to F. Trunks between yesterday and today.
Wow....even Gohan got a figure. It's the younger more popular one, but still. I think that hurt Vegeta the most. Gohan of all people got something and he didn't.
This joke doesn't even make sense. C'mon I've seen you do better. Gohan is the 3rd most popular character still... I think he deserves one. It's surprising that he got one over vegeta but he's literally the first choice outside of goku and vegeta.
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I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Wow....even Gohan got a figure. It's the younger more popular one, but still. I think that hurt Vegeta the most. Gohan of all people got something and he didn't.
This joke doesn't even make sense. C'mon I've seen you do better. Gohan is the 3rd most popular character still... I think he deserves one. It's surprising that he got one over vegeta but he's literally the first choice outside of goku and vegeta.
Jokes fine. Nothing to get panties in a knot for.
Nah I'd say Beerus or Whis would be more deserving. Then Freeza which he got, then maybe Cabba and Hit to endorse Super. And then maybe Gohan.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Nah I'd say Beerus or Whis would be more deserving. Then Freeza which he got, then maybe Cabba and Hit to endorse Super. And then maybe Gohan.
The joke isn't fine because it doesn't make sense. There are so many worse characters to pick. They'res a difference between making jokes that pick fun at the reality of a situation, and jokes that senselessly bash the character. I've seen you do the latter a lot. But yeah, to endorse super? Then yeah I agree. Piccolo would probably be a better fit too. But popularity wise it makes sense for Gohan to get a figure.
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I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Nah I'd say Beerus or Whis would be more deserving. Then Freeza which he got, then maybe Cabba and Hit to endorse Super. And then maybe Gohan.
The joke isn't fine because it doesn't make sense. There are so many worse characters to pick. They'res a difference between making jokes that pick fun at the reality of a situation, and jokes that senselessly bash the character. I've seen you do the latter a lot. But yeah, to endorse super? Then yeah I agree. Piccolo would probably be a better fit too. But popularity wise it makes sense for Gohan to get a figure.
It does make sense in the simplest of jokes. It's a simple joke with like 2 layers to it, and that's it. It makes perfect sense. I don't think I need to explain why it does, nor should I since having a topic on a stupid joke is silly.
Which means nothing to the joke. Though really popularity wise I wouldn't even be so sure. Especially considering if he was so popular to the market, he'd probably get more screen time instead of being overshadowed by even Goten and Trunks of all people. Heck the reason that's the figure in particular, is because that point in time was iconic. Not because Gohan is really popular now. He was really popular at that point in time, but dropped off according to polls back then. I'd be more surprised if they had a Super or more likely Boo arc figure.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
The way this first episode was focused not only on Trunks' story, but also the next tournament and a little bit more info about the other universes..i'll go with the theory that green Kaioshin is someone Goku would meet at the tournament at some point.
More or less: An injured Future Trunks has arrived in the present via Time Machine. Bulma, Goku and Vegeta are shocked, but the most shocked of all is child Trunks.
It's not the same as the NEP, but there isn't any new information, unless you count stressing present-day Trunks' role.
More or less: An injured Future Trunks has arrived in the present via Time Machine. Bulma, Goku and Vegeta are shocked, but the most shocked of all is child Trunks.
It's not the same as the NEP, but there isn't any new information, unless you count stressing present-day Trunks' role.
