Will GT Really Become "Lost" This Time?

[Hellspawn28]

GT is popular in heroes so I wouldn't be surprised if we get something related to it after he's done with Super.

Like a complete rewrite?

That or they'll just pick up where the shadow dragons arc left off and have the new stories set before the 100 year time skip.

That won't work given how GT ended. Goku left with the Dragon Balls and is likely no longer alive since he most likely became one with the Dragon Balls. Goku left with Shenron because they over use the Dragon Balls and Goku likely absorb the Dragon Balls to erase the evil inside them for good. If they brought back Goku and the Dragon Balls so soon before the 100 year time skip, you would ruin the ending to GT and people won't like that. With DBZ's ending, it was different since it was not a good ending. However despite GT being dislike from most fans, most people did agree that it had a good ending. Also I don't see a show based around Goku Jr. ever working. Fans will hate that Goku and the others won't be back since they are all dead and will probably suffer the same backlash that Yu-Gi-Oh fans had when GX was first made.

With GT ending a long time ago, I don't see how many people will want to see a direct sequel to it because people got used to the stuff that we have been getting since 2013. Not to mention, most people watching DB on TV right now in Japan probably didn't see GT since it came out before they where born or was not a fan of the series when it was airing. A sequel to GT is something that they would have done long before 2008 like in 1998 or 1999.

There was a less chance of Toriyama returning to the franchise so anything's possible.

There's no way they'll put it on hold for that long after Super, especially with how much $$$ they're making.

They'll more than likely have a new show start the week after Super's conclusion.

I do think the series will likely go another decade break because people will get burn out by Dragon Ball. People already felt burn out when GT was airing in 1996-1997. It probably won't happen for a while, but I do think it will happen in the near future. Maybe after Super reaches over 150 episodes, people will start to get tired.

[DragonHermit]

People have had DB burnout since Buu saga, and it's especially clear with DB Super too. It's clear that no matter what Toriyama does/Toei does it's automatically bad.

This is pretty common for sequels in general, unless they really change things up, like from DB to DBZ. Unless the show radically changes in the sequel, then the show is automatically bad as long as it doesn't abide by the story the watchers think SHOULD happen.

[Videls_Panties]

People have had DB burnout since Buu saga, and it's especially clear with DB Super too. It's clear that no matter what Toriyama does/Toei does it's automatically bad.

This is pretty common for sequels in general, unless they really change things up, like from DB to DBZ. Unless the show radically changes in the sequel, then the show is automatically bad as long as it doesn't abide by the story the watchers think SHOULD happen.

Meh I enjoy DBS more than DBZ and DB, as well as that atrocity called GT. I also saw DB and DBZ when it originally aired in the USA the first time with the first set of voice actors.

[sintzu]

It's clear that no matter what Toriyama does/Toei does it's automatically bad.

This is pretty common for sequels in general,

unless they really change things up, like from DB to DBZ.

Unless the show radically changes in the sequel.

then the show is automatically bad as long as it doesn't abide by the story the watchers think SHOULD happen.

Everyone or almost everyone loves the BOG movie so that's clearly not the case.

No it's not, the only sequels that get hated on are the ones that don't live up to what came before them.

DB & Z are actually one story in the manga, the split only happened in the anime and the change wasn't that big.

Super has radically changed from the original but not for the best.

Fans don't have a problem with Super's story, they're just not happy with how it's being handled and rightfully so.

[TekTheNinja]

It's clear that no matter what Toriyama does/Toei does it's automatically bad.

This is pretty common for sequels in general,

unless they really change things up, like from DB to DBZ.

Unless the show radically changes in the sequel.

then the show is automatically bad as long as it doesn't abide by the story the watchers think SHOULD happen.

Everyone or almost everyone loves the BOG movie so that's clearly not the case.

No it's not.

DB & Z are actually one story in the manga, the split only happened in the anime and the change wasn't that big.

Super has radically changed from the original but not for the best.

Fans don't have a problem with Super's story, they're just not happy with how it's being handled and rightfully so.

Yep. The problem is that quality completely plummeted after Battle of Gods.

[sintzu]

Yep. The problem is that quality completely plummeted after Battle of Gods.

When Toriyama was writing the manga he always had an editor pushing him to do better and when he came on board for BOG the main plot points were already in place and he was working with a script writer on it.

After that he worked on his own which is a 1st so that might be the reason everything has gone downhill.

He's talked about some of the things he wanted to do before the editors stepped in like ending the manga after 10 volumes and having Gero & #19 be the only villains of the android arc so he clearly needs a push or at least someone to work with to fully realize his stories.

[alakazam^]

When Toriyama was writing the manga he always had an editor pushing him to do better and when he came on board for BOG the main plot points were already in place and he was working with a script writer on it.

After that he worked on his own which is a 1st so that might be the reason everything has gone downhill.

He's talked about some of the things he wanted to do before the editors stepped in like ending the manga after 10 volumes and having Gero & #19 be the only villains of the android arc so he clearly needs a push or at least someone to work with to fully realize his stories.

That's being too dismissive of him, and unfairly so. Fukkatsu no F was a hit so your point in hat regard is moot and even if he changed things in the manga by the request of others, he tied the loose ends on his own, which is something he is very good at. No one knows what the Artificial Humans arc would have been like so you can't judge it just for the villains themselves.

[HeroR]

When Toriyama was writing the manga he always had an editor pushing him to do better and when he came on board for BOG the main plot points were already in place and he was working with a script writer on it.

After that he worked on his own which is a 1st so that might be the reason everything has gone downhill.

He's talked about some of the things he wanted to do before the editors stepped in like ending the manga after 10 volumes and having Gero & #19 be the only villains of the android arc so he clearly needs a push or at least someone to work with to fully realize his stories.

That's being too dismissive of him, and unfairly so. Fukkatsu no F was a hit so your point in hat regard is moot and even if he changed things in the manga by the request of others, he tied the loose ends on his own, which is something he is very good at. No one knows what the Artificial Humans arc would have been like so you can't judge it just for the villains themselves.

Personally, I would rather see how story would have unfolded with Androids 16 - 20, without Cell being around. To me, Cell was going back to a Freeza like character with some Saiyan characteristics mixed in, while the androids were fresh and something new. You have enemies who couldn't be sense, can absorb energy, or had an endless energy supple so they out last even someone who is stronger than them. Cell always came off as a cop-out to me.

Also, critically, Resurrection 'F' got better to equal reviews to Battle of Gods. So Toriyama can write a fine story without an edit. I do think Toriyama general do better with some helping him pad out the small details, but to say that Toriyama always need a babysitter to make even decent story is just being dismissive. Those two movies also show how the fanbase is split. The hardcore, long-term fans loved Battle of Gods more than Resurrection 'F', and more casual fans like Resurrection 'F' more.

[ROCKYIII]

Actually it's almost making sense. All they have to do is find a random reason for Goku and vegeta to never use the blue hair anymore (maybe it was honed into regular super saiyan energy or whatever), whis and beerus say we'll never see you again, and that's it. Goku fighting in normal form on par with the reincarnation of kid buu makes sense now.

However, just in general, I think people will have almost a higher opinion of DBGT than of DBS unless it turns it around. It really is mediocre right now. These ideas are just so bland, recycled, nonsensical, etc. At least GT did something memorable with Goku being a kid and SSJ4.

[Big Black Sayian]

Why do people wanna pick GT vs Super? Not like there's anything to get out of it.

[HeroR]

Actually it's almost making sense. All they have to do is find a random reason for Goku and vegeta to never use the blue hair anymore (maybe it was honed into regular super saiyan energy or whatever), whis and beerus say we'll never see you again, and that's it. Goku fighting in normal form on par with the reincarnation of kid buu makes sense now.

However, just in general, I think people will have almost a higher opinion of DBGT than of DBS unless it turns it around. It really is mediocre right now. These ideas are just so bland, recycled, nonsensical, etc. At least GT did something memorable with Goku being a kid and SSJ4.

In general, most internet polls and even critics think Super is better than GT. There is only a small minority who thinks GT is better.

Also, even if you do try to explain away why Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan isn't used anymore, it wouldn't explain why Kibito and the Supreme isn't fused anymore. You can try to say that they fuse again for some reason, but they can't use used the Namekian Dragon Balls to undo it and the Supreme Kai called the fusion between him and Kibitio strange, so they don't want to stay together. Hell in Super and GT don't match at all, and Freeza should be much stronger and have his golden form. Super and GT can't fit and I don't see why it should since Toriyama didn't write GT and wouldn't care to make any connections to it. I mean, what author would bend themselves backwards to make their story fit into something they had really no part in.

I also find it ironic that you call Super bland for recycling past ideas ideas since GT were full of them. Baby was literally a copy and past version of the villain from Destroy All Saiyans, the search for the Black Star Dragon Balls was one giant throwback to the original Dragon Ball search to the point an entire storyline was ripoff from Oolong's introduction episode, the final fight with Baby was a mixture of Great Ape Vegeta vs. Goku, along with Goku needing to ascend to win against a superior opponent, just like the battle against Freeza, and on top of that, Baby possessing Goku's friends and taking over the Earth was the Garlic Jr. Saga, just switch out Gohan for Goku. The entire Super 17 arc is basically Movie 12 meets the Android arc. The only original storylines GT had were the Machine Mutants (which got dumped in favor of Baby) and the Shadow Dragons, and even then the final boss was killed by a giant Spirit Bomb, just like Majin Buu, and Gogeta failing to kill Omega Shenron because the fusion broke early because of the power consumption of Super Saiyan 4 was what happened to Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks vs. Super Buu. No matter how you looked at it, originality wasn't one of GT's strengths. The only thing people somewhat agreed that was good and original in GT was Super Saiyan 4.

In Super, if we include the retellings, only the Resurrection 'F' arc was a recycled plot line and we haven't seen the Future Trunks arc to make any judgements.

[ZodaEX]

Why do people wanna pick GT vs Super? Not like there's anything to get out of it.

They conflict with each other. They couldn't have both happened. It's interesting to speculate which one really did

[Hellspawn28]

However, just in general, I think people will have almost a higher opinion of DBGT than of DBS unless it turns it around.

DBS seems to have a higher rating than GT on most anime websites that I've been on. Here's MAL ratings on all four shows so far:

DB - 8.17/10
DBZ - 8.32/10
DBGT - 6.75/10
DBS - 7.28/10

Since the Champa saga, I notice people have been liking Super much better when it was airing the retellings of the last two movies last year.

[Kuririn Fan]

You could've used better example than MAL, i heard they're kinda weird with their ratings.

[Hellspawn28]

Super only has 44 user ratings on Anime News Network since the show is still airing and has not been release in the US yet. MAL is the probably largest anime site with user ratings since it's the IMDB of anime and manga.

[HeroR]

Super only has 44 user ratings on Anime News Network since the show is still airing and has not been release in the US yet. MAL is the probably largest anime site with user ratings since it's the IMDB of anime and manga.

Most of the sites I have seen usually have Super around the low 80s with Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z being around 85-90.

[Basaku]

People have had DB burnout since Buu saga, and it's especially clear with DB Super too. It's clear that no matter what Toriyama does/Toei does it's automatically bad.

This is pretty common for sequels in general, unless they really change things up, like from DB to DBZ. Unless the show radically changes in the sequel, then the show is automatically bad as long as it doesn't abide by the story the watchers think SHOULD happen.

Or simply make a good sequel/remake/prequel etc. Have you seen people hating on The Dark Knight? No, because it brought quality. It's a nonsense excuse that "people will hate on sequels regardless what". The truth is that most sequels don't deliver high, neither is Super.

[HybridSaiyan]

GT is still part of the dragon ball franchise. It featured in Xenoverse and it'll always be there just like how Super is always going to be there now. There is no escape!!

[Saturnine]

Doesn't Cooler's minor appearance in GT prove it takes place in an alternate timeline?

It is called error or not paying to much attention to what fits together and does not prove anything.

It wasn't an error, i was Toei patting themselves on the backs and ascending non-canon material. GT was always all about homages to Toei-original content such as Z filler and theatrical movies, sometimes to the detriment of continuity and overall sense. Hell, you often got the impression that this non-canon stuff is more important to the writers of GT than the order of things established in the manga.

That won't work given how GT ended. Goku left with the Dragon Balls and is likely no longer alive since he most likely became one with the Dragon Balls.

Which is fucking bullshit. How can he become one with the DBs? He's just a Saiyan. Even if he could, how would that kill him? More importantly, how does that solve anything with the Namekian DBs still existing? How is it worth doing at all?

Goku left with Shenron because they over use the Dragon Balls and Goku likely absorb the Dragon Balls to erase the evil inside them for good.

It was actually of Shenron's initiative. Which once again is extremely ill-conceived, as Shenron shouldn't have the authority to make a decision like that in the first place. He's just a wish-granting dragon subordinate to Dende, weak enough in terms of power to be killed by King Piccolo. He simply doesn't have the agency to make a decision like that.

If they brought back Goku and the Dragon Balls so soon before the 100 year time skip, you would ruin the ending to GT and people won't like that.

Seriously, what's there left to ruin? Goku leaving was cryptic, arbitrary and worst of all, completely unnecessary. Toei wanted a sad, emotional ending, but clearly had no idea how to bring it about so that it could make even a modicum of sense.

With DBZ's ending, it was different since it was not a good ending. However despite GT being dislike from most fans, most people did agree that it had a good ending.

DBZ's ending was unremarkable, but it worked just fine with a nice status quo left. GT's ending was more emotional by far, but it made much less sense too. Those who like it choose to appreciate it for its emotional load and probably aren't reading too deep into it, otherwise they'd see how forced the ending was.

[HybridSaiyan]

Doesn't Cooler's minor appearance in GT prove it takes place in an alternate timeline?

It is called error or not paying to much attention to what fits together and does not prove anything.

It wasn't an error, i was Toei patting themselves on the backs and ascending non-canon material. GT was always all about homages to Toei-original content such as Z filler and theatrical movies, sometimes to the detriment of continuity and overall sense. Hell, you often got the impression that this non-canon stuff is more important to the writers of GT than the order of things established in the manga.

Should it matter if it's canon or not? As long as it's enjoyable right? The 13 movies and GT were entertaining to watch!