So who or what is Black?

[ryou766]

We can't base the idea of him being some alternate Goten from him wearing sleeves. He does resemble Goten, but so does everyone else with Bardock's hairstyle. Plus, it doesn't explain why Black is wearing Kaioshin-like footwear and has on a Kaioshin earring. Quite frankly, if by any chance I'm wrong and this does turn out to be Goten, I'll laugh hysterically. It'd be like Goten holding up a sign that reads, "Look at me! I'm important now! Major key element to the story here!" Not happening.

[Xeztin]

We can't base the idea of him being some alternate Goten from him wearing sleeves. He does resemble Goten, but so does everyone else with Bardock's hairstyle. Plus, it doesn't explain why Black is wearing Kaioshin-like footwear and has on a Kaioshin earring. Quite frankly, if by any chance I'm wrong and this does turn out to be Goten, I'll laugh hysterically. It'd be like Goten holding up a sign that reads, "Look at me! I'm important now! Major key element to the story here!" Not happening.

I'm actually basing it on that, and for merch sales. He hasn't had a big role yet, and seeing their future counterparts could change their views on their Saiyan heritage completely. The sleeves thing is just for fun speculation, since if its Goten, lets be honest, he's more than likely going to have sleeves. The Kaioshin clothes would be from fusing or taking him over I suppose, which is also where SSJ white would come in if it exists. No one in the anime has called him "Goku Black" Or "Black Goku", heck Trunks wasn't even stunned by the fact he looks like Goku, so he's bound to already know him or that body.

[sintzu]

My personal theory is that the green kaioshin, is from one of the six universes that was destroyed, and went back in time in our 7th universe looking for Goku and got Goten by mistake.

I wanted to keep my expectations low but these theories are making that hard so hopefully he's Goten cause if he isn't I'll probably be disappointed with it.

I remember all the theories and speculation that was going on during the U6 arc which is why I'm kind of disappointed with it cause it didn't do any of them.

It's such a shame that fans can come up with better stories than the people who make a living off it.

[Xeztin]

My personal theory is that the green kaioshin, is from one of the six universes that was destroyed, and went back in time in our 7th universe looking for Goku and got Goten by mistake.

I wanted to keep my expectations low but these theories are making that hard so hopefully he's Goten cause if he isn't I'll probably be disappointed with it.

I remember all the theories and speculation that was going on during the U6 arc which is why I'm kind of disappointed with it cause it didn't do any of them.

It's such a shame that fans can come up with better stories than the people who make a living off it.

I think its almost 100 percent that it's going to involve those 6 destroyed universes, other wise why throw it out there right? I think a evil Goku would be too corny even for Toei, and another long lost relative would be insane. I think the logical choice would be Goten or a Shapeshifter. One things for sure, those earrings have different abilities then what we know of the ones that fused Goku and Vegeta.

[Cetra]

The only Future Goten that you are gonna see is in vol. 42 and in GT. Alternate Goten does not exist. At least not in Trunks' timeline. Why would he track down Trunks on that timeline? And for what reason would you really take a character like Goten who can barely even be called "character" at all - there is really no reason besides - like you said - merchandise.

That's what Super is for- To sell merchandise. Goten can exist in other timelines just like ours, my personal theory is that the green kaioshin, is from one of the six universes that was destroyed, and went back in time in our 7th universe looking for Goku and got Goten by mistake. Having young Goten and Trunks meet their older counterparts is something for a plot and merch. Who knows, Goten and Trunks of our time might start taking training seriously after that.

Edit- sorry for the Double Post.

That is so out of nowhere. I think it is more plausible that the Kaioushin is the corrupted alternate version of East Kaioshin, he resurrected Goku and corrupted him as well. And most likely that is also not true.

[Rozay]

I do not get the feeling that the green Kaioshin is evil from the OP. He was pictured as a defeated figure. My guess right now is that he is/was the guardian of the imprisoned evil being that is Black. For some reason, provoked or by accident, he let Black go. Maybe Black killed him, maybe Black just escaped. Eventually, Black took over dead Goku's body (if Black was in the realm of Kai, that is a possibility) and became what it is now. That's my guess.

But I really like that theory I read here somewhere, that Black was actually the "heart virus". That would be very sinister and fitting. It latched on Goku's body when it found him, killed him from inside and eventually managed to revive by taking the control of the body. Sure, there are a lot of holes on this theory, but what theory hasn't?

I really really hope it isn't Goten, Bardock or a "shapeshifter" being. I hope that's Goku's body at the very least.

[sintzu]

I think its almost 100 percent that it's going to involve those 6 destroyed universes, other wise why throw it out there right? I think a evil Goku would be too corny even for Toei, and another long lost relative would be insane. I think the logical choice would be Goten.

I know one or more of those universes will play a role in this but Goten ? It was in the back of my head but I thought I was over thinking it but I'm clearly not the only one who thinks that.

Never in a million years did I think Goten would be on my top characters list but from what little I've seen, this guy has the potential to be in my top 3 and even dethrone Goku as #2.

[Xeztin]

The only Future Goten that you are gonna see is in vol. 42 and in GT. Alternate Goten does not exist. At least not in Trunks' timeline. Why would he track down Trunks on that timeline? And for what reason would you really take a character like Goten who can barely even be called "character" at all - there is really no reason besides - like you said - merchandise.

That's what Super is for- To sell merchandise. Goten can exist in other timelines just like ours, my personal theory is that the green kaioshin, is from one of the six universes that was destroyed, and went back in time in our 7th universe looking for Goku and got Goten by mistake. Having young Goten and Trunks meet their older counterparts is something for a plot and merch. Who knows, Goten and Trunks of our time might start taking training seriously after that.

Edit- sorry for the Double Post.

That is so out of nowhere.

Not really.. There's a green kaioshin, Beerus said 6 universes was destroyed by the omni-king, this kaioshin isn't from our universe and we'd probably seen him at the tourney if he was from U6. There are earrings like the Potara. There's a guy running around by the name of black that happens to favor Goku/Goten. If there can be alternate timelines with a future Trunks, who can time travel, Goten doing the same being controlled by a surviving Kaioshin is completely possible. I understand that you may not want it to be Goten, and it may not be, but it's certainly possible and more than likely since Trunks is going to meet his future counterpart. Oh! that heart virus one is a interesting theory as well! I have a feeling it's all going to lead to Demigra in one way or another with all this future stuff.

I think its almost 100 percent that it's going to involve those 6 destroyed universes, other wise why throw it out there right? I think a evil Goku would be too corny even for Toei, and another long lost relative would be insane. I think the logical choice would be Goten.

I know one or more of those universes will play a role in this but Goten ? It was in the back of my head but I thought I was over thinking it but I'm clearly not the only one who thinks that.

Never in a million years did I think Goten would be on my top characters list but from what little I've seen, this guy has the potential to be in my top 3 and even dethrone Goku as #2.

If Trunks can have a bad-ass counterpart, I don't see why Goten can't either. I think GT ruined a lot of peoples perception of him.

[Cetra]

Not really..

Whether you like it or not, "it is Goten because he wears sleeves" is out of nowhere and you have nothing else for that. If it turns out to be a Goten from another timeline, great. But right now, you are saying this out of nowhere. And do not take my sentence out of context like I would have referred to the entire post when we were talking about Goten all the time. And I "do not not want it to be Goten", you are just looking out for some very thin evidence.

[sintzu]

Not really.. There's a green kaioshin, Beerus said 6 universes was destroyed by the omni-king, this kaioshin isn't from our universe and we'd probably seen him at the tourney if he was from U6. There are earrings like the Potara. There's a guy running around by the name of black that happens to favor Goku/Goten. If there can be alternate timelines with a future Trunks, who can time travel, Goten doing the same being controlled by a surviving Kaioshin is completely possible. I understand that you may not want it to be Goten, and it may not be, but it's certainly possible and more than likely since Trunks is going to meet his future counterpart. Oh! that heart virus one is a interesting theory as well! I have a feeling it's all going to lead to Demigra in one way or another with all this future stuff.

These kinds of theories are what get fans really excited so if they don't happen then I'm blaming you for ruining this arc.

[ryou766]

With Toyotaro offering ideas to Toriyama, the idea of an evil Kaioshin wouldn't be too far off, actually.

Just one with, you know, an actual plausible background.

[Xeztin]

Not really..

Whether you like it or not, "it is Goten because he wears sleeves" is out of nowhere and you have nothing else for that. If it turns out to be a Goten from another timeline, great. But right now, you are saying this out of nowhere. And do not take my sentence out of context like I would have referred to the entire post when we were talking about Goten all the time.

I'm not sure what you mean by out of context, you mean in-universe? anything can happen. I told you the sleeves thing was for fun. I'm looking at it as progression for our young trunks and Goten by meeting their older counterparts who are suffering. That's the "In context" perspective. The "out of context" perspective is that it would make Goten somewhat relevant and it's to sell more figures. I've been talking about Goten this whole time. It's a theory so If i want to say it's Bardack from the 34th dimension its a damned theory, no ones asking you to accept it as reality. I got my theory from all the information that was provided to us so in that logic, Everyone's theory's come out of no where. Whats yours?

[fadeddreams5]

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Black is not affiliated with anyone and just happens to look like Goku...because.

[sintzu]

Regardless of who he is, they CAN'T kill him at the end, Super is in desperate need of a serious character and this guy fits the bill and then some.

I don't want him to be a Z fighter, at least not at first but something along the line of Vegeta's role during the Namek and Android arc where he fights alongside them but isn't part of their group.

This guy has so much potential for future stories and development so hopefully Toriyama realizes this.

[ryou766]

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Black is not affiliated with anyone and just happens to look like Goku...because.

So, Tullece.

[Cetra]

Not really..

Whether you like it or not, "it is Goten because he wears sleeves" is out of nowhere and you have nothing else for that. If it turns out to be a Goten from another timeline, great. But right now, you are saying this out of nowhere. And do not take my sentence out of context like I would have referred to the entire post when we were talking about Goten all the time.

I'm not sure what you mean by out of context, you mean in-universe? anything can happen. I told you the sleeves thing was for fun. I'm looking at it as progression for our young trunks and Goten by meeting their older counterparts who are suffering. That's the "In context" perspective. The "out of context" perspective is that it would make Goten somewhat relevant and it's to sell more figures. I've been talking about Goten this whole time. It's a theory so If i want to say it's Bardack from the 34th dimension its a damned theory, no ones asking you to accept it as reality. Everyone's theory's come out of no where. Whats yours?

I am sorry, do you know what "context" means (if not, tell me)? I am saying "do not take my post out of the actual relation to reply to it in a relation that you wish my post is thought to be in". My posts where written with the context of answering your "it is Goten" stuff. Then you started answering my post of "this is out of nowhere" with listing many details that have virtually nothing to do with Goten like I said "that is out of nowhere" and also would have replied with my post with stuff like you listed in consideration. Which I did not. I said you took my answer out of context - and mixed it together with other stuff. We have had that talk about Goten for a few posts. So it was very easy to understand what I was referring to.
And if you really insist to bring up new stuff like the Kaioushin and Zenou and all - what they said about Zenou does not mean they will actually bring in anything about the destroyed universes. The writers are fully allowed to say it and then never bring it up ever again. Or even only bring it up to say "hey, this guy is strong". They have no obligation to use it as a plot detail. If they do - cool. But as things are now you are only bringing up theories with very thin evidence, just as I said.

[fadeddreams5]

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Black is not affiliated with anyone and just happens to look like Goku...because.

So, Tullece.

Yup.

[Doctor.]

Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if Black is not affiliated with anyone and just happens to look like Goku...because.

I would say he was Tullece 2.0 if he was just called Black. But he was called Goku Black by Toriyama. He has to be related to Goku in SOME way, besides just looking like him.

[ryou766]

Goku Black has tan skin as opposed to the main timeline Goku.

Calling it, Black is GT Goku seeking revenge for the ridicule GT has sustained throughout the years.

[sintzu]

We know that Trunks created more than one timeline so what if this is a Goku who never returned from Yardrat but instead wandered the universe and ended up like this somehow ?