How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

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How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by ryou766 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:36 pm

Has he grown progressively stronger or weaker?

Let's look at this at a logical stand point; Mirai Trunks is the last remaining Z-Fighter in this timeline, and though he had defeated No. 17, 18, and Cell, you could never know when there could be another threat (in the case, boom, Goku Black). Therefore, it would make sense to train and become stronger than he already was beforehand.

There was also that message Mirai Trunks had sent to present Bulma about how he wouldn't be able to return to the past to lend a hand in their fight against the newly revived Freeza, but he would continue to become stronger and help rebuild his world in his timeline; wishing them the best of luck.

Hopefully, the writers don't pull a Gohan in Trunks' case.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by LightBing » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:03 pm

No way of knowing, if you saw the first episode of the arc. Going by the personality of the character, he should be stronger somewhat or at the same level. He would never neglect training. It's understandable if he hasn't progressed due to the lack of decent methods and training partners. Weaker, never. Bar any special injury or weird stuff going on.

Pulling a Gohan would almost be unforgivable. It would sap a great deal of my enjoyment of the story. We should get our answer by next episode.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Alruneia » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:04 pm

I don't think we have enough information from the future to be able to really tell, but I'll try to come with some estimates. First off, we don't know if Future Trunks pulled a Gohan or not. His power when he killed Future Imperfect Cell was probably... around Semi-perfect Cell, I'd say, when he fought as a Super Saiyan, so I'll work from there.

He can have kept on training since then, and after all these years reached a power level close to Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan. I don't see Future Trunks being any stronger than that. He must have trained on his own, which is pretty inefficient, so it's more of an upper limit than anything.
He can also have stopped. In that case his power will have dropped and his Super Saiyan strength might even be down to where it was when he killed Freeza in the main timeline. I don't see him being lower than that, though.
In any case, though, Super does show that Future Trunks' quality of life has been low since Black appeared. If you don't live well and you don't eat well (see the canned food Future Mai gave him), your strength will decrease. So I don't see any way for him to be much stronger than regular Perfect Cell at most.
So there's the ballpark, I guess. Somewhere between around SSJ Future Trunks (Sword) and around Perfect Cell (at most SSJ2 Teen Gohan), to use game terms.
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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Konig » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:05 pm

I believe he kept training after Cell saga, since he is the only hope left for his timeline. Because of that, he grew stronger and more powerful, maybe even reaching Super Saiyan 2. However, since Black started terrorizing Earth, Trunks has probably suspended any kind of training, in order to keep a low profile, and, because of that, and also combined with his probable hunger and dehydration, I think he will be sort of "rusty" at first, without being able to reach his full potential. But as the arc unfolds, I believe he will be able to get back on his feet.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by ryou766 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:07 pm

Trunks left the past believing that SSJ2 was the maximum limit a Super Saiyan can reach, so it could be understandable that he trained to reach said level.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by ekrolo2 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:10 pm

Probably stronger than Goten or Trunks but inferior to Piccolo, Gohan, Goku and Vegeta.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:04 pm

I reckon he's not significantly stronger than when he back to his timeline. I still think he's below Cell Jr level.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Big Black Sayian » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:50 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I reckon he's not significantly stronger than when he back to his timeline. I still think he's below Cell Jr level.
Probably. Not like he anybody like Whis to train him.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Khin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:14 am

I think he should be at least stronger as Cell Games FPSS Kid Gohan. I personally think Trunks was already reaching Cell Games Goku's level back when he killed Cell (In his timeline). Assuming Trunks didn't neglect his training. 9 years worth of training after he killed Cell would put him above Gohan's level. I took Vegeta about 7 years to reach Super Saiyan 2. So it might be possible that Trunks achieved the form with his 10+ training. Although, i doubt Trunks trains as hard as Vegeta did during those years.

I have Present Trunks as strong as FPSS Kid Gohan, so it would be extremely weird if Future Trunks will end up being weaker than him.
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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by generalred3 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:26 am

Well we saw what happened with Gohan, Trunks, and Goten's power levels in Super without training in times of peace. I know it has never been confirmed that Goten and Trunks stopped training however it is just a guess of mine. I am not sure how peaceful Trunk's future is but with the androids and Cell gone maybe he felt he had no reason to train and put his efforts towards restoring the planet (before Black Goku destroyed it again). If he stopped training due to this then I don't think it'd be too out of the question to think that he is actually weaker than when he fought Cell with the Z fighters.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Khin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:38 am

Future Trunks neglecting his training wouldn't make no sense whatsoever. He is the only fighter left on the earth, so he should continue his training just in case something bad might happen again. Gohan neglect his training during the peace time between Cell and Buu Arc because he isn't a fighter and wants to pursue his dream to be a scholar, he also had other strong fighters on his side like Vegeta and Piccolo. Same reason why he neglect his training again in Super, he had Vegeta, Goku, and Gotenks. Future Trunks on the other hand have no other strong fighters on his side, so it wouldn't make sense if he neglected his training.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by generalred3 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:50 am

Khin wrote:Future Trunks neglecting his training wouldn't make no sense whatsoever. He is the only fighter left on the earth, so he should continue his training just in case something bad might happen again. Gohan neglect his training during the peace time between Cell and Buu Arc because he isn't a fighter and wants to pursue his dream to be a scholar, he also had other strong fighters on his side like Vegeta and Piccolo. Same reason why he neglect his training again in Super, he had Vegeta, Goku, and Gotenks. Future Trunks on the other hand have no other strong fighters on his side, so it wouldn't make sense if he neglected his training.
Thats definitely a possibility. However without any training partners/ trainers, or a new threat to push him to a new level (other than Black Goku), training by himself wouldn't make him all that much stronger than we last saw him. But then again, with Super they seem to like to keep things simple so he most likely will be just as strong as we saw him last.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Khin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:55 am

generalred3 wrote:Thats definitely a possibility. However without any training partners/ trainers, or a new threat to push him to a new level (other than Black Goku), training by himself wouldn't make him all that much stronger than we last saw him. But then again, with Super they seem to like to keep things simple so he most likely will be just as strong as we saw him last.
Trunks had no training partner when he trained in the RoSaT, yet he still ended up being in the same league as Vegeta.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by generalred3 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:00 am

Khin wrote:
generalred3 wrote:Thats definitely a possibility. However without any training partners/ trainers, or a new threat to push him to a new level (other than Black Goku), training by himself wouldn't make him all that much stronger than we last saw him. But then again, with Super they seem to like to keep things simple so he most likely will be just as strong as we saw him last.
Trunks had no training partner when he trained in the RoSaT, yet he still ended up being in the same league as Vegeta.
Lol training in the RoSaT is completely different than training alone. Based on what we see in the Trunks special and the android arc, he genuinely does seem to want to get stronger and is willing to work harder than most to achieve that. However, there has been one episode and there is nothing that even hints that he has gotten stronger or weaker.....yet 8)

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Khin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:05 am

generalred3 wrote:Lol training in the RoSaT is completely different than training alone. Based on what we see in the Trunks special and the android arc, he genuinely does seem to want to get stronger and is willing to work harder than most to achieve that. However, there has been one episode and there is nothing that even hints that he has gotten stronger or weaker.....yet 8)
Um. You're missing my point here. Vegeta is the one who constantly pushes himself harder and is the one who trains the hardest, yet Future Trunks almost had the same gains as him aft they went in the second time. And it's very likely that he actually received more gains than Vegeta when they went in the first time. Seems to me that training gains depends on the potential, not how you train or something (See the Freeza thing). And for what out-of universe explanation, training gains depends on the plot.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by generalred3 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:14 am

Khin wrote:
generalred3 wrote:Lol training in the RoSaT is completely different than training alone. Based on what we see in the Trunks special and the android arc, he genuinely does seem to want to get stronger and is willing to work harder than most to achieve that. However, there has been one episode and there is nothing that even hints that he has gotten stronger or weaker.....yet 8)
Um. You're missing my point here. Vegeta is the one who constantly pushes himself harder and is the one who trains the hardest, yet Future Trunks almost had the same gains as him aft they went in the second time. And it's very likely that he actually received more gains than Vegeta when they went in the first time. Seems to me that training gains depends on the potential, not how you train or something (See the Freeza thing). And for what out-of universe explanation, training gains depends on the plot.
I'm not missing your point. I'm actually agreeing with most of the things you are saying so don't worry. Besides earlier you mentioned you have him at FPSSJ Gohan in the Cell arc, which I would agree with also. What i meant was training alone (as in outside in the forest or mountains for example) is a bit different than training in the RoSaT that can increase the gravity and really give you a much more intense training session. Again, all I am saying is we have no idea how strong/ weak he has gotten and it is all speculation, for now. I agree with the FPSSJ Gohan because that isn't much stronger than he was when we last saw him. He could have gotten much stronger and trained every day since he killed future Cell, I don't know. Definitely a possibility and definitely makes sense. But just because it makes sense doesn't make it a fact until we see more than just one episode.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Khin » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:21 am

Okay, i admit i misunderstood your previous post. However, with Super's track record of having characters receiving ridiculous gains (Freeza, Tagoma, Piccolo, and Vegeta). Future Trunks' strength is basically anywhere for now, he could be stronger than Gotenks for all we know. But like i said before, i think he should be at least stronger than Present Trunks.
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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by generalred3 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:24 am

Khin wrote:Okay, i admit i misunderstood your previous post. However, with Super's track record of having characters receiving ridiculous gains (Freeza, Tagoma, Piccolo, and Vegeta). Future Trunks' strength is basically anywhere for now, he could be stronger than Gotenks for all we know. But in my opinion, he should be at least stronger than Present Trunks, or else it would feel extremely weird.
Lol basically this. Agreed 100000%.

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by Protege » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:46 am

He felt pretty weak to be honest. To me he felt like someone on a naruto level when he was running away from those explosives. I mean why couldnt he just tank them or just fly away from them lol?

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Re: How strong is Mirai Trunks in Super?

Post by ChronoTwigger » Tue Jun 14, 2016 4:41 pm

Forget about power levels. You got enough hints about how the story prevail over sheer "power".
Future Trunks will be around Cabba level, so "strong the first 3 hits" and then pawned by someone with no account of math.

In Super, if A > B, and B > C, that's doesn't mean A > C.

That's avoid a lotta issues in concepts.
But it in the end, you'll never know how much absolutely "strong" a character is.
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