The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Noah]

Guys, stop hyping this little Togepi, it's like Toriyama couldn't possible bring an enemy or a power up that exceeds Zeno much later in the series, he always pulled that card, I don't see why he wouldn't do it again.

[GodVegetto91]

Guys, stop hyping this little Togepi, it's like Toriyama couldn't possible bring an enemy or a power up that exceeds Zeno much later in the series, he always pulled that card, I don't see why he wouldn't do it again.

He most likely won't. Since Zeno is the ultimate ruler of the entire dragon ball world. As Whis stated none stand above him! And since Akira Toriyama lately seems to be fond of keeping the super powered Gods on top. (As evidenced by Beerus still being on top) even though Goku became a SSJ God then trained with Whis and achieved a new form. Then trained again for an entire 3 years, and then used Kaioken on top of it and litterally became 10 x stronger! And yet... Our overpowered God of Destruction was STILL on top! It seems like Toriyama's saying.. Beerus' status as the ultimate destroyer god is just too powerful to simply be surpassed. (He clearly wants him on top)
And now finally they revealed The Ultimate Ruler one that rules over all of existence and keeps all the Gods of Destruction in check. And going by recent statements, Omni-King is indeed insanely overpowered. To the point that he can wipe out litterally ANYTHING in existence! Sorry but i don't see a simple mortal EVER surpassing the almighty Omni-King! But another God might. if Toriyama decides to bring in even higher Gods like if he were to reveal that this multiverse is just one in many. And that each multiverse has a ruler like Omni King and that all multiverses together (Omniverse) is ruled by a single group of beings, called "Management" that are totally Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient and are basically the living forces of existence meaning that they ARE the physical forms of the universal constants. And that the whole Omniverse possibly can't exist without their presence.

Though i consider it unlikely to happen unless they want Super to go on for another 50 years. xD

[Berserker1921]

Villain off
-rules are all the villains powers are equal, no absorbing abilties or candy beams

Omega shenron vs Golden Frieza?
Super 17 vs Hit?
BabyVegeta vs Commonsome baby vegeta? (Baby isn't disappearing.)
Super Buu vs Janemba?
Hideregan vs Darbura?
Broly vs Hichatichi?
Bojack vs Cell?

[RandomGuy96]

Villain off
-rules are all the villains powers are equal, no absorbing abilties or candy beams

Omega shenron vs Golden Frieza?
Super 17 vs Hit?
BabyVegeta vs Commonsome baby vegeta? (Baby isn't disappearing.)
Super Buu vs Janemba?
Hideregan vs Darbura?
Broly vs Hichatichi?
Bojack vs Cell?

Omega. At equal power levels, Freeza runs out of energy quicker. He also lacks Omega's wide variety of abilities like regeneration. He loses badly.

Hit, Super 17 has no counter to his time-stop and Hit's first instinct is to punch rather than blast. It'll go nearly identically to "Initial Hit" vs SSB Vegeta.

Baby, it was implied that Commeson Vegeta had a skill deficiency, while nothing of the sort was implied for Baby.

Super Buu; you need to be a good bit stronger than Buu to have any chance of beating him. As Goku showed us, if you're just equal to him or even slightly stronger, he'll just regenerate from any damage you deal to him and be good as new if given five seconds of rest, while the damage will stack on his enemy until it becomes too much.

Hildegarn; Dabra probably wouldn't figure out how to get past his intangibility before he got socked off-guard a couple of times, knocking him out.

Hatchiyak, because Broly has nothing indicating he's a skilled fighter and a lot of things indicating he's not.

Cell; the bio-android simply has way more impressive abilities than Bojack, who showed none aside from basic flight and ki blasts, plus one amplified attack. His wide variety of ki techniques plus his other abilities like regeneration and teleportation give him the win.

[pacz360]

Guys, stop hyping this little Togepi, it's like Toriyama couldn't possible bring an enemy or a power up that exceeds Zeno much later in the series, he always pulled that card, I don't see why he wouldn't do it again.

He most likely won't. Since Zeno is the ultimate ruler of the entire dragon ball world. As Whis stated none stand above him! And since Akira Toriyama lately seems to be fond of keeping the super powered Gods on top. (As evidenced by Beerus still being on top) even though Goku became a SSJ God then trained with Whis and achieved a new form. Then trained again for an entire 3 years, and then used Kaioken on top of it and litterally became 10 x stronger! And yet... Our overpowered God of Destruction was STILL on top! It seems like Toriyama's saying.. Beerus' status as the ultimate destroyer god is just too powerful to simply be surpassed. (He clearly wants him on top)
And now finally they revealed The Ultimate Ruler one that rules over all of existence and keeps all the Gods of Destruction in check. And going by recent statements, Omni-King is indeed insanely overpowered. To the point that he can wipe out litterally ANYTHING in existence! Sorry but i don't see a simple mortal EVER surpassing the almighty Omni-King! But another God might. if Toriyama decides to bring in even higher Gods like if he were to reveal that this multiverse is just one in many. And that each multiverse has a ruler like Omni King and that all multiverses together (Omniverse) is ruled by a single group of beings, called "Management" that are totally Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient and are basically the living forces of existence meaning that they ARE the physical forms of the universal constants. And that the whole Omniverse possibly can't exist without their presence.

Though i consider it unlikely to happen unless they want Super to go on for another 50 years. xD

Not saying it will but don't be surprise if Tori has someone being stronger than Zeno in the story we seen happen multiple times in db.

[DanielSSJ]

Villain off
-rules are all the villains powers are equal, no absorbing abilties or candy beams

Omega shenron vs Golden Frieza?
Super 17 vs Hit?
BabyVegeta vs Commonsome baby vegeta? (Baby isn't disappearing.)
Super Buu vs Janemba?
Hideregan vs Darbura?
Broly vs Hichatichi?
Bojack vs Cell?

- Super Yi Xing Long has a bunch of crazy abilities like regeneration and Golden Freeza's stamina is pretty poor. The Shadow Dragon wins before long.
- Hard to say. Both have a particular skill that'd put them at an advantage: Super 17's energy absorption and Hit's Time Skip. I'd go with Hit due to his propensity for improvement and his 1,000 years as a master assassin.
- No idea.
- Boo's regenerative abilities are so broken it hurts, and he's also prone to yelling insults. I figure he'd eventually overcome the pink and red demon.
- Hirudegarn is bigger, clumsier, and is dumb as a sack of rocks. Dabra will eventually be able to nail him with some spit and it's all over then.
- Who the hell is Hichatichi?
- Bojack simply lacks all of the techniques and abilities that Cell possesses, like regeneration. It'll be a hard fought battle, but Cell will eventually overcome his opponent.

[dragon boss z]

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

[Lord Beerus]

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

- Shisami clears with ease. He was able to hold his own against Kamiccolo
- Tagoma hits a brick wall with SPC

[dragon boss z]

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

- Shisami clears with ease. He was able to hold his own against Kamiccolo
- Tagoma hits a brick wall with SPC

You don't think Piccolo was holding back against Shisami?
Also the Shisami in super never fought Piccolo, all he did was bear hug base Gohan, but I'm not sure if he is supposed to be weaker in the super version.
I find it hard to believe a Zarbon/Dadoria level character could surpass 100% Frieza in 4 months. Frieza only reached Goku's level because he was a prodigy and he got a new transformation.

[apex_pretador]

Villain off
-rules are all the villains powers are equal, no absorbing abilties or candy beams

Omega shenron vs Golden Frieza?
Super 17 vs Hit?
BabyVegeta vs Commonsome baby vegeta? (Baby isn't disappearing.)
Super Buu vs Janemba?
Hideregan vs Darbura?
Broly vs Hichatichi?
Bojack vs Cell?

Omega shenron can regen and golden freeza has no stamina. This is a oor matchup. 50% Freeza vs OS will be better match.

Hit punches super 17 and kills him like SSB vegeta.

?

Super buu. TBH, kid buu can beat Janemba despite being weaker, and these two are equals in power.

Stone spit

Hatchiyak

Cell death-beams him to hell

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

- DIes at monster Zarbon

- Stops at fat buu, could stop at cell if we are using suppressed Tagoma.

[MaxZ]

SSJ1 Vegeto (Buu Saga) vs RoF final form Frieza
SSJ2 Vegeto vs the same
SSJ3 Vegeto vs the same

[DanielSSJ]

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

Movie Shisami clears the list. He was fighting on par with Piccolo, who was worlds beyond Namek arc Freeza. Anime Shisami hits a wall at Recoome.
Movie Tagoma hits a brick wall against First Form Freeza. Dude was Zarbon-tier when he died. Anime Tagoma is probably about as strong as Perfect Cell and hits a brick wall at Super Perfect Cell. Ginyu-Tagoma ties with Super Perfect Cell, but eventually loses due to the fact that he can't regenerate.

I find it hard to believe a Zarbon/Dadoria level character could surpass 100% Frieza in 4 months. Frieza only reached Goku's level because he was a prodigy and he got a new transformation.

Anime Tagoma somehow went from Zarbon/Dodoria tier to beating up Piccolo and base Gohan in 4 months, so there's that.

SSJ1 Vegeto (Buu Saga) vs RoF final form Frieza
SSJ2 Vegeto vs the same
SSJ3 Vegeto vs the same

I refuse to believe that anyone besides the Gods, Golden Freeza, and Hit could be anywhere near Super Vegetto, let alone any of his higher forms. Freeza gets donkey punched by the true Saiyan God.

[apex_pretador]

SSJ1 Vegeto (Buu Saga) vs RoF final form Frieza
SSJ2 Vegeto vs the same
SSJ3 Vegeto vs the same

SS2 & 3 definitely tear his head off, but not sure about SS1 vegetto

[dragon boss z]

Shisami runs a gauntlet
Zarbon
Recoome
Ginyu
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza

Tagoma runs a gauntlet
first form Frieza
100% final form Frieza
android 18
semi perfect Cell
super perfect Cell
Fat Buu

Movie Shisami clears the list. He was fighting on par with Piccolo, who was worlds beyond Namek arc Freeza. Anime Shisami hits a wall at Recoome.
Movie Tagoma hits a brick wall against First Form Freeza. Dude was Zarbon-tier when he died. Anime Tagoma is probably about as strong as Perfect Cell and hits a brick wall at Super Perfect Cell. Ginyu-Tagoma ties with Super Perfect Cell, but eventually loses due to the fact that he can't regenerate.

I find it hard to believe a Zarbon/Dadoria level character could surpass 100% Frieza in 4 months. Frieza only reached Goku's level because he was a prodigy and he got a new transformation.

Anime Tagoma somehow went from Zarbon/Dodoria tier to beating up Piccolo and base Gohan in 4 months, so there's that.

I hate the fact that Tagoma got that strong, but they at least mentioned his power up and said he got a body of steel from being tortured for 4 months. With Shisami in RoF he was stated to be Zarbon and Dadoria level and it was never even hinted he got any stronger. I don't even know if they intended to make Tagoma and Shisami stronger than final form Frieza. I kind of feel like they forgot how strong Piccolo got. I wouldn't say Piccolo was worlds beyond Namek Frieza though. I would say maybe 5 times stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

SSJ1 Vegeto (Buu Saga) vs RoF final form Frieza
SSJ2 Vegeto vs the same
SSJ3 Vegeto vs the same

Piccolo ~ Ultimate-ish Gohan, as indicated by their sparring match; Gohan has the Ultimate hair, and gets the Ultimate eyes in a later episode, but is nonetheless implied to be somewhat below his Buu arc self, as he says he's re-training the basics rather than being the strongest he's ever been.

Piccolo ~ base Goku/Vegeta [Champa arc]; Piccolo is able to last a while (and with the SBC, potentially win) against final form Frost, who was stronger than the base saiyans, and also competes with base Goku pretty well in their crop gathering competition, with Goku even saying that it's a close contest and good workout for both of them.

Base Goku/Vegeta [Champa arc] > base Goku/Vegeta [ROF arc], due to the year or so (maybe more?) of training in between the arcs.

Base Goku/Vegeta [Commeson arc] > SS3 Gotenks, but not by enough that they can one-shot him even when Copy Vegeta was explicitly trying to kill the boys; in fact Gotenks manages to get back up after half a dozen solid strikes and even block a series of blows from base Copy Vegeta (who is said by Goku to be a noticeable bit stronger than base Vegeta from the tournament, because of whatever training he'd done), indicating he's closer to base Goku/Vegeta than, say, Tenshinhan was to Nappa, at least.

Base Goku/Vegeta > ROF final form Freeza; by how much depends on which version you look at, the show or the movie (in the former he had a noticeable advantage, enough that Freeza needed to attack his friends to land a punch, but was still close in power to Freeza; in the latter he was beating the hell out of Freeza and didn't get hit once), but either way Goku was stronger. All of this gives us a scale:

Ultimate-ish Gohan [Champa arc] ~ Piccolo [Champa arc] ~ Base Goku/Vegeta [Champa arc] > Base Goku/Vegeta [ROF arc] > Final Form Freeza [ROF arc]

Therefore, Ultimate Gohan from the Buu arc should be enough to defeat final form Freeza, as he should at least be stronger than Ultimate-ish Gohan from the Champa arc. You don't want to know what Vegetto would do...

[LightBing]

#18 vs Vegeta - Same fight as in the Android arc, difference being that #18 doesn't have infinite energy.

Ginyu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn, Nail, Piccolo(Pre-Nail Assimilation) and Dende vs First Form Freeza - All characters are at their powers right before Freeza starts his fight with Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan. No Kaioken.

[DanielSSJ]

#18 vs Vegeta - Same fight as in the Android arc, difference being that #18 doesn't have infinite energy.

Ginyu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn, Nail, Piccolo(Pre-Nail Assimilation) and Dende vs First Form Freeza - All characters are at their powers right before Freeza starts his fight with Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan. No Kaioken.

- Even without infinite energy, 18 still would've won without much trouble. Trunks, who is implied to be not far off from Vegeta's level, can barely fight on even terms with the future Androids and the present day ones are much stronger. I actually place the future Androids and Goku and Vegeta from the beginning of the Cell arc roughly on the same level.
- If Dende can give the Saiyans some healing boosts before Freeza kills him, they actually stand a pretty good chance of winning. Otherwise Freeza will toy with them for a while before vaporizing them all with a single wave of his hand.

[LightBing]

#18 vs Vegeta - Same fight as in the Android arc, difference being that #18 doesn't have infinite energy.

Ginyu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn, Nail, Piccolo(Pre-Nail Assimilation) and Dende vs First Form Freeza - All characters are at their powers right before Freeza starts his fight with Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan. No Kaioken.

- Even without infinite energy, 18 still would've won without much trouble. Trunks, who is implied to be not far off from Vegeta's level, can barely fight on even terms with the future Androids and the present day ones are much stronger. I actually place the future Androids and Goku and Vegeta from the beginning of the Cell arc roughly on the same level.
- If Dende can give the Saiyans some healing boosts before Freeza kills him, they actually stand a pretty good chance of winning. Otherwise Freeza will toy with them for a while before vaporizing them all with a single wave of his hand.

I asked about the first fight due to both these lines:
Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P12.3-6
Trunks: “Am-amazing! I hadn’t realized that father was this strong…! To think that he’s able to fight on par with that outrageous android…!”
Piccolo: “Vegeta’s going to be killed…[ ] Watch…Bit by bit, the android is starting to push him back. It’s because his enemy’s power never falls at all, while Vegeta’s stamina falls the more he moves.”

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P1.1-3
Context: after Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, and Kuririn arrive
No.17: “My my, some help has arrived. Even No.18 probably won’t be able to take them all on. No choice, shall I go? Or will you go, No.16?”

Which implies Vegeta not being that much weaker, a view from both sides. What do you think? Specially the #17 line, I don't think he knows how much stronger Piccolo is at this time. I can't remember if he's just going by Gero's data.

The second fight should have some interesting dynamics, I didn't thought about the possibility of zenkai abuse. Nice answer. I was going for collective brains vs brawl, with Ginyu being a nice wildcard. Just Freeza's reaction is interesting to imagine.

[DanielSSJ]

I asked about the first fight due to both these lines:
Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P12.3-6
Trunks: “Am-amazing! I hadn’t realized that father was this strong…! To think that he’s able to fight on par with that outrageous android…!”
Piccolo: “Vegeta’s going to be killed…[ ] Watch…Bit by bit, the android is starting to push him back. It’s because his enemy’s power never falls at all, while Vegeta’s stamina falls the more he moves.”

Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P1.1-3
Context: after Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, and Kuririn arrive
No.17: “My my, some help has arrived. Even No.18 probably won’t be able to take them all on. No choice, shall I go? Or will you go, No.16?”

Which implies Vegeta not being that much weaker, a view from both sides. What do you think? Specially the #17 line, I don't think he knows how much stronger Piccolo is at this time. I can't remember if he's just going by Gero's data.

The second fight should have some interesting dynamics, I didn't thought about the possibility of zenkai abuse. Nice answer. I was going for collective brains vs brawl, with Ginyu being a nice wildcard. Just Freeza's reaction is interesting to imagine.

- To be fair, Trunks' line about Vegeta being on par with 18 was before he realized that the present day Androids are, in fact, much stronger than his versions. It's actually that line where I get my Android arc Super Saiyans being around the same level as the future Androids idea from. 17's statement probably has more to do with having a bunch of super powered guys, potentially close to Vegeta's strength, ganging up on 18 all at once.

- Didn't really consider Ginyu's presence here. If he can manage a body switch, then I guess the team would win. Though, I think I remember some supplementary material that says Freeza has some way of dealing with it, but that might be made up.

[apex_pretador]

#18 vs Vegeta - Same fight as in the Android arc, difference being that #18 doesn't have infinite energy.

Ginyu, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn, Nail, Piccolo(Pre-Nail Assimilation) and Dende vs First Form Freeza - All characters are at their powers right before Freeza starts his fight with Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan. No Kaioken.

- #18 still had power to spare, and MUCH better stamina than an unmastered super saiyan. She will eventually win. Remember that the androids were treated as a threat super saiyan isn't enough to deal with.
Although vegeta might take a minority.

- Planet gets destroyed.