Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[garfield15]

I dont know how you guys know what japanese people like or dont like. The one thing i know about japan is that, they love future trunks. Even Toriyama acknowledges that.

I was personally talking about how I thought people around the English internet felt. In Japan, where this actually matters, I don't even know. I just know they like Trunks

[HeroR]

I dont know how you guys know what japanese people like or dont like. The one thing i know about japan is that, they love future trunks. Even Toriyama acknowledges that.

I was personally talking about how I thought people around the English internet felt. In Japan, where this actually matters, I don't even know. I just know they like Trunks

From what I remember, and the western fanbase thought Battle of Gods to be too lighthearted and preferred Reserrection 'F'.

Also, humor Dragon Ball vs. serious Dragon Ball is an old debate. Some of it is also resentment that Z overshadowed the original Dragon Ball, at least here in the US, to the point that most Dragon Ball fans know nothing besides Z. There's also Toriyama on record saying he doesn't like writing dark stuff, which is why Battle of Gods turned out how it did. Even the darker Reserrection 'F' has a lot of humor and everything is purposely played an anticlimactic.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

hopefully that joke show Sazae-san too!

Screw those punk ass 4 year olds watching Sazae-san. I bet Sazae doesn't even have Zenkai boosts.

That's funny, but neither do Saiyans since Freeza arc.
Fuck OP, i hope Super beats it one week!

I can't express how happy I am that this guy isn't on Kanzenzhuu anymore, he's extremely negative about things that aren't Dragon Ball. Everyone is treating Dragon Ball like it's deprived of something in terms of ratings. Like, why is it a shame that One Piece got great ratings? Every show deserves a good ratings week, is it just because it's One Piece and not Dragon Ball? I'm not attacking people, I'm just wondering why everyone seems to hate on shows that aren't DB.

[HeroR]

I can't express how happy I am that this guy isn't on Kanzenzhuu anymore, he's extremely negative about things that aren't Dragon Ball. Everyone is treating Dragon Ball like it's deprived of something in terms of ratings. Like, why is it a shame that One Piece got great ratings? Every show deserves a good ratings week, is it just because it's One Piece and not Dragon Ball? I'm not attacking people, I'm just wondering why everyone seems to hate on shows that aren't DB.

I wouldn't take what they said to heart. Most One Piece fans are also fans of Dragon Ball since One Piece takes a lot of influences from Dragon Ball and Oda is a huge fanboy of Toriyama and the series. Toriyama also has a very good relationship with Oda to the point that he requested 'We Are' to be Krillin's ringtone in his Resurrection 'F' script and there is of course that Dragon Ball X One Piece crossover. I know the people on the One Piece Podcast are huge Dragon Ball fans and watch Super along with One Piece every Sunday.

There is, of course, small rivalry from the two fandom, but nothing serious. One Piece fans tend to think Dragon Ball is outdated and cliche, but that is mostly because of Dragon Ball's age and how almost all modern Shonen has been inspired by it, like Fist of the North Star. They also have mix feelings about Toriyama's write the seat of your pants style, versus Oda who plans everything years in advance. But it's all usually friendly.

As a fan of both series, I am happy to see Super and One Piece doing well.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

I can't express how happy I am that this guy isn't on Kanzenzhuu anymore, he's extremely negative about things that aren't Dragon Ball. Everyone is treating Dragon Ball like it's deprived of something in terms of ratings. Like, why is it a shame that One Piece got great ratings? Every show deserves a good ratings week, is it just because it's One Piece and not Dragon Ball? I'm not attacking people, I'm just wondering why everyone seems to hate on shows that aren't DB.

I wouldn't take what they said to heart. Most One Piece fans are also fans of Dragon Ball since One Piece takes a lot of influences from Dragon Ball and Oda is a huge fanboy of Toriyama and the series. Toriyama also has a very good relationship with Oda to the point that he requested 'We Are' to be Krillin's ringtone in his Resurrection 'F' script and there is of course that Dragon Ball X One Piece crossover. I know the people on the One Piece Podcast are huge Dragon Ball fans and watch Super along with One Piece every Sunday.

There is, of course, small rivalry from the two fandom, but nothing serious. One Piece fans tend to think Dragon Ball is outdated and cliche, but that is mostly because of Dragon Ball's age and how almost all modern Shonen has been inspired by it, like Fist of the North Star. They also have mix feelings about Toriyama's write the seat of your pants style, versus Oda who plans everything years in advance. But it's all usually friendly.

As a fan of both series, I am happy to see Super and One Piece doing well.

I have two words for you:
THANK YOU!
It's awesome to see a guy that agrees with me 100% on here. I like both series (I love One Piece more though) so I want to see them both do well. Thanks for being a level headed cool guy who knew how to properly respond to my question instead of flipping out on me.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

I can't express how happy I am that this guy isn't on Kanzenzhuu anymore, he's extremely negative about things that aren't Dragon Ball. Everyone is treating Dragon Ball like it's deprived of something in terms of ratings. Like, why is it a shame that One Piece got great ratings? Every show deserves a good ratings week, is it just because it's One Piece and not Dragon Ball? I'm not attacking people, I'm just wondering why everyone seems to hate on shows that aren't DB.

I wouldn't take what they said to heart. Most One Piece fans are also fans of Dragon Ball since One Piece takes a lot of influences from Dragon Ball and Oda is a huge fanboy of Toriyama and the series. Toriyama also has a very good relationship with Oda to the point that he requested 'We Are' to be Krillin's ringtone in his Resurrection 'F' script and there is of course that Dragon Ball X One Piece crossover. I know the people on the One Piece Podcast are huge Dragon Ball fans and watch Super along with One Piece every Sunday.

There is, of course, small rivalry from the two fandom, but nothing serious. One Piece fans tend to think Dragon Ball is outdated and cliche, but that is mostly because of Dragon Ball's age and how almost all modern Shonen has been inspired by it, like Fist of the North Star. They also have mix feelings about Toriyama's write the seat of your pants style, versus Oda who plans everything years in advance. But it's all usually friendly.

As a fan of both series, I am happy to see Super and One Piece doing well.

I agree with this.
Also have you guys seen how fast Black Goku got popular and loved? I see Black Goku avatars and pictures everywhere in the db YouTube community and Instagram(and on videos that has nothing to with anime at all.) The community loves him and I do to.

[Faisal Shourov]

In terms of writing? Yes.
In terms of characterisation/use of support character ? Yes
In terms of the artificial, forced tension? Yes.
In terms of production values? yes
In terms of the awful OST ? Yes

I can list more reasons why this series isn't good.

I think Dragon Ball Super is shit in quality, but it's far from flop. In facts it's one of the top anime in Japan atm. Like it or not, most people like DBS in Japan

[DragonHermit]

I've never seen anyone who has watched significant portions of both series who likes DB and doesn't like OP, or vice-versa (not denying they don't exist, just haven't come across someone in my opinion). Both of the shows strengths are similar: amazing world building and a massive cast of interesting characters, that keeps getting larger as the story progresses. Plus fights.

Even in Japan they prefer darker DB.

No, they just like Trunks and this episode was hyped by Toei. He's probably 2nd or 3rd most liked character in DBZ there.

[fadeddreams5]

I'm pretty sure it's less about the character and more about what he brings to the table. If episode 46 ended with the usual preview theme, and it just showed Trunk returning to the present to share a sundae with Goku, I highly doubt the ratings would have flared up.

It's totally about the tone. Future Trunks returning is icing on the cake.

Also, humor Dragon Ball vs. serious Dragon Ball is an old debate. Some of it is also resentment that Z overshadowed the original Dragon Ball, at least here in the US, to the point that most Dragon Ball fans know nothing besides Z. There's also Toriyama on record saying he doesn't like writing dark stuff, which is why Battle of Gods turned out how it did. Even the darker Reserrection 'F' has a lot of humor and everything is purposely played an anticlimactic.

Is it really an old debate? Because I swear it's universally accepted that serious DB is better. That's not to say History of Trunks serious, but a more dramatic tone, which started with the Piccolo saga, as opposed to dozens of episodes featuring the life and times of Goku and little arcs where there is nothing really at stake (or it feels like there is nothing at stake because of the constant cutaway to gags). Comedy is always welcome, but it doesn't and shouldn't be the emphasis of the series. I feel it's very, very poorly placed in Super.

[Bullza]

Don't they do these character polls? I'm sure there was one for Dragon Ball Z, what place did Trunks come?

[HeroR]

Don't they do these character polls? I'm sure there was one for Dragon Ball Z, what place did Trunks come?

It should be noted that Future Trunks and Present Trunks are polled as the same person.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Sorry Super you can't beat One Piece. The ratings were good though credit goes to Mirai Trunks and Black Gokuu(Masako Nozawa).

- Travis

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Sorry Super you can't beat One Piece. The ratings were good though credit goes to Mirai Trunks and Black Gokuu(Masako Nozawa).

- Travis

Yup, people need to stop setting their expectations so high.

[Araki]

Compared to the other lead-ins in the top 10, though (Doraemon, Ace Attorney, Maruko), Super sometimes gets close to One Piece in a way they never do to Shin-chan, Conan and Sazae. It's a safe bet to say it would beat OP if the timeslots were reversed, it's just not plausible because of the order they air.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Compared to the other lead-ins in the top 10, though (Doraemon, Ace Attorney, Maruko), Super sometimes gets close to One Piece in a way they never do to Shin-chan, Conan and Sazae. It's a safe bet to say it would beat OP if the timeslots were reversed, it's just not plausible because of the order they air.

While that's true, the timeslot isn't the only thing that One Piece has over Dragon Ball as OP is currently (and has been for a long time) the biggest thing ever in Japan but you guys have probably heard that millions of times now

[FortuneSSJ]

Don't they do these character polls? I'm sure there was one for Dragon Ball Z, what place did Trunks come?

They should just do new character poll already.
I'm really curious to see how high new characters like Beerus and Whis rank and where old wasted characters like Gohan stand.
Gohan is treated like trash in the new stuff, but SSJ4 Gohan in DB Heroes is probably the character that generated more hype. A lot of people went crazy in that day.

[Faisal Shourov]

Compared to the other lead-ins in the top 10, though (Doraemon, Ace Attorney, Maruko), Super sometimes gets close to One Piece in a way they never do to Shin-chan, Conan and Sazae. It's a safe bet to say it would beat OP if the timeslots were reversed, it's just not plausible because of the order they air.

Actually it would be impossible for Super to beat One Piece for more than 1 episode, even if it ever does. One Piece is by far the biggest manga in Japan, it's far bigger than Dragon Ball ever was in prime. One Piece is more popular in Japan than Dragon Ball and Naruto combined. So changing slots won't do anything. Super's quality is completely irrelevant to One Piece rating, they're not rivals.

[Araki]

Actually it would be impossible for Super to beat One Piece for more than 1 episode, even if it ever does. One Piece is by far the biggest manga in Japan, it's far bigger than Dragon Ball ever was in prime.

Hm, that's debatable. One Piece took like 60 volumes to sell what DB sold in 42, didn't it? Shonen Jump had record prints with DB that it never managed to have, ever again - it's like half now. That's how huge it was.
These are different times now, though, so they can't be compared like that IMO.

So changing slots won't do anything. Super's quality is completely irrelevant to One Piece rating

Now that's plain wrong. Maybe you're not aware, but Super is One Piece's lead-in in the block, so the better Super does, the more OP benefits. If the show airing right before OP was a flop, One Piece's ratings would be affected. Like Detective Conan was, when "the Ultimate Otaku Teacher" was airing before it.
When the ratings are this close, you just can't say that the numbers would be the same if it was the other way around and OP acted as the lead-in. It's an impossible claim.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

However, Dressrosa is ending tonight and next week is the start of a filler arc and then after that arc is the Zou arc followed by the Totland arc so OP and Super might be in a heated ratings battle for a good while.

[Bigivel]

I guys, my first comment in this community! Nice to make your acquaintance

Last week had incredible ratings for Toei Animation titles especially Dragon Ball Super, I'm super Happy. I'm seeing a lot of discussion here about Dragon Ball Surpassing, One piece. This week both series had incredible episodes, so more than who gonna surpass who, I hope they keep the ratings and position this week, or even increase and one of them(or both) surpass Sazae-san!

About something that people here have been talking. I heard somebody saying that Fist of the North Start was inspired in Dragon Ball(at least it was how I interpreted the post, please tell me if I'm wrong). The fact though is that Fist of the North Star is older than Dragon Ball by 1 year! Fist of North Star influences are Mad Max, Bruce Lee and older popular battle manga like Kinnikuman. Dragon Ball though had an influence in Journey's to the West and Jackie Chan(and of course also older battle manga, though people like to think it is total original in that department. Though the tenkaichi budokai totally comes from Kinnikuman and Ring no Kakero and other series of the genre). They have quite different inspirations, and possible Dragon Ball took Fist of the North Star inspirations(for example Fist of the North Star already was using Ki, before Dragon Ball using).

About Dragon Ball selling more in 42 volumes than One Piece did in 60. That is totally wrong. In fact One Piece in 2005 with volume 36 achieved the record of fastest manga to reach 100 Million copies in print. Dragon Ball only reached more than 100 Million copies in volume 39(at least the first reported number over that value), 3 after One Piece.

Here is a more detailed about both series print numbers:

Spoiler:

**5,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 4 volumes
**6,000,000 - One Piece with 6 volumes
*50,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 23 volumes
*65,000,000 - One Piece with 23 volumes
*80,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 28 volumes
*82,000,000 - One Piece with 28 volumes
*95,000,000 - One Piece with 32 volumes
*93,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 33 volumes
*98,000,000 - One Piece with 34 volumes
100,000,000 - One Piece with 36 volumes
105,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 39 volumes
115,000,000 - One Piece with 39 volumes(there seems to be data in conflict here, where it could be this or just less than 112 Million)
110,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 42 volumes(3 months after the release of the 1st print of volume 42)
120,000,000 - One Piece with 43 volumes
126,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 42 volumes(7 years later, 2002)
150,000,000 - Dragon Ball with 42 volumes(10 years later, 2005)
159,500,000 - Dragon Ball with 42 volumes(19 years later, 2014)
165,000,000 - One Piece with 54 volume(3 years after volume 43)

In terms of individual volume print, Dragon Ball best volume was volume nº 35 with 2.2 Million copies in print. While One Piece now is volume 67 with 4.05 Million copies in print, in the past it was volume 27 with 2.63 Million copies in print. In fact One Piece volume 24 broke the 1st print record, with 2.52 Million copies in print, surpassing 2.5 million Slam Dunk volume, and since that volume no other manga other than Attack on Titan and One Piece itself, surpassed that number.

Source for print numbers: http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/

About the Magazine print numbers, while Dragon Ball was a big part of it, maybe the biggest, the golden age of the magazine wasn't only made in the backs of Dragon Ball. First such a rise in the Magazine print numbers started way before Dragon Ball, and during its time it reached its peak when there was multiple "epic" series like Dragon Ball, Slam Dunk, Yu Yu Hakusho, Dragon Quest, Rukodenashi Blues, Kochikame, Tottemo Luckyman, Hell Teacher Nube, Captain Tsubasa(World Youth Saga), Midori no Makibaō, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, NINKU and others. It was really a time where the magazine was flooded with highly loved series.
One Piece, unfortunately came during the Dark Age of Jump, when it was in decline, in fact it was the year that One Piece entered the magazine when it got relegated to 2nd most selling magazine. That decline of print continued and is discussed that there are various factors for that to be the case, specially because magazine print decline was a manga magazine global phenomenon at the time, and it still keeps even today. One Piece though, in 2010 is considered the sole reason for the magazine only print increase since the golden age of Jump.

What I think about future rankings. It will be interesting to see if One Piece filler that starts next week will increase or decline the TV ratings. To note that the filler is related to Film Gold, and that is normal for small fillers(and the beginning of any filler) to get higher ratings than previous canon episodes, though it doesn't happen all the time. Also I'm really interested to see if Zou arc in One Piece will get an increase in ratings.
Dragon Ball Super I hope continues with this good ratings and that with it is also able to keep the 3rd or even go to the 2nd place in the rankings.