"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

He's just trying to convince himself, i guess. Toyotarou does the same thing the anime does, changing and adding things.
He works as "closely" to Toriyama as the anime staff, where Toriyama is also aware of the changes and said he reads the finished scripts himself. So no, there's nothing saying his version is the closest or whatever.

Agreed. Seems to me that every time something actually "makes sense". People automatically assumes it came from Toriyama. Like they think Toriyama can't make mistakes too. And proceeds to discredit TOEI when something doesn't makes sense, and doesn't even take into account that it probably came from Toriyama himself.

I'd argue Toriyama would probably be the second biggest cause of headaches lol.

Man stopped paying attention to stuff as he wrote the series and his memory about stuff is probably worse still now. Honestly, I could see a fanboy like Toyotaro who might or might not obsess over this minutia rack his brain making sense out of stuff more than Toriyama or Toei would. I mean, the guy made a doujinshi of DB so he's obviously a fanboy.

[Xeztin]

I'd also like to say that just because Blue is calm, doesn't make its wastefulness an issue. Super Saiyan God doesn't alter your personality at all and that lasts but a few minutes before disappearing. Which, in the manga, left Goku drained and unable to fight anymore.

This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

Or maybe there's no decrease and it only happens when they try to use it again after powering down from it.

Very possible. It could be an SSJ3 situation where you can master it to a point where its not too wasteful to use it once, but trying to do so multiple times will backfire on you.

I agree with this. So the big elephant in the room is can Goku stay in SSG for as long as he wants? or is there still a 30 min time limit? Perhaps SSG is even more taxing than SSJ3 and SSJB.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

We know Toyotaro works closely with Toriyama so his version is the closest.

You know I keep seeing you post this time and time again but who says this is the closest?

The manga is merely an adaptation of the anime.Toyotaro uses Toriyama's script but adds his own things to it.

Daizenshuu does the same,Toriyama may think it's better that it's around but that doesn't mean it's the more accurate one.

The manga skipped over the Freeza arc so that means it follows the movies which just contradicts the manga.

The anime in all likelihood is the one that is closer to Toriyama's work.

According to Τoyotaro only expands on Toriyama's draft, while Toei doesn't only expand on it, but also add & change things. Toriyama has asked Toyotaro to add more of his ideas, but this hasn't happened yet. On top of that, Toriyama supervises the creation of the manga page by page, and personally makes changes whenever he sees fit. The anime also adds anime-only stuff from DBZ, while the manga ignores them. So, the closer version to Toriyama's vision is the manga.

[dbzfan7]

I know people are losing their shit over the 10% line but DevilsCorpse did say using it multiple times in succession is what drains your energy fast, and Vegeta does so in the manga. This likely means that the decrease is likely around 40-45% instead of being immediately 90% like everyone's assuming it is.

I also like it actually shows us there's a weakness. I didn't buy for a second SSJB had any sort of drain, because I never saw such a thing. It felt completely made up. Didn't come to play in the Freeza arc at all. Here while I think it's too much of a drain, I at least now believe there is a drawback.

Yeah, that's my problem with the anime. The manga might make the drain too severe but I'll take it over "this forms' really hard to use guys.... it gives us perfect ki control and lets us stack mother fucking Kaio-ken on it but its REALLY hard you guys!"

It also doesn't invalidate SSJ for no good reason. At least with the manga SSJ God could return again, which gives some more millage out of the form which was tossed away so quickly. I'm all for it since I feel it should have been the true ultimate form out of the two.

[Saiyan007]

Chelanto

Toriyama said that would be nice that Toyotaro would bring his own ideas, meaning that he doesn't do this too often, actually. And also has confirmed that he supervises the storyboards from Toyotaro, meaning that they need his approval. He even made Toyotaro change a few things as far as we know. So yes, the manga is closest to Toriyama.

Toyotaro just uses Toriyama's script as an outline and then adds what he feels like adding.At that point it's Toyotaro's work.

Daizenshuu did the same thing heck Toriyama even apprecieateed them beacuse he forgot most of his work but that doesn't mean it's closer to Toriyama's work.

Then to make matters worse the manga is an adaptation of the anime.

People tend to go with whatever fits thier power levels and then claim it came from Toriyama.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What about if that was a weird drawn kaioken? what about if Goku went kaioken first and then turned super saiyan blue plus the kaio ken?

We're not assuming what form it was. The characters literally state in the dialogue that Goku is using Super Saiyan God.

[dbzfan7]

What about if that was a weird drawn kaioken? what about if Goku went kaioken first and then turned super saiyan blue plus the kaio ken?

We're not assuming what form it was. The characters literally state in the dialogue that Goku is using Super Saiyan God.

About Hit. Was he saying he'd tire out in a minute going all out, or he'd win in a minute? I find it odd he'd tire so fast going all out. Which was it?

[Matthanor]

What a garbage chapter.

SSGSS is a useless transformation.Transforming twice into the form takes up so much stamina,why?

Anime was better in every single way.Beerus being stronger than Goku even with Kaioken is still one of the better retcons in dragon ball super.

Always found it dumb how Goku could get some hand holding ritual and be on par with a god of destruction while he's using 70% of his power.

Super goes about it the right way even though he's massively stronger than thier last fight he's still weaker showing how Powerful a God of destruction is,he shouldn't be surpassed so quickly.

We saw in Toriyama-sensei last interviews that he supervised the storyline in the anime and the charac design in the manga but asked Toyotaro to add his own ideas. Moreover, the manga is just a promotional tool helping reaching good rates for the TV anime. So you can dislike it but the truth is they do both as the same plot but they are leading characters through different paths here. For what its worth, i'm found of the manga, well designed, charac design is very good and in some ways, making Hit a little bit weaker than the anime is great too. Gokû in SSB and Kaioken x10 is really good but Hit being greater than that... I mean we can let it beat Gokû Black anyways ...

[sintzu]

The manga is an adaptation of the anime.

Was that ever stated anywhere ? I know it's made to promote it but I don't remember them saying it's based off of it.

[Kishido]

This manga is so useless

[TheDevilsCorpse]

About Hit. Was he saying he'd tire out in a minute going all out, or he'd win in a minute? I find it odd he'd tire so fast going all out. Which was it?

He says his power may not last a minute since he hasn't had a reason to go to max in so long, which means that he may only be able to pull off one more Time-Skip, but that it would be more than enough to take Goku down. Goku of course denies this, blah blah blah.

Hit: "This is my full power. It's been so long since I used it that I don't think I'll last for over a minute... To be honest, I'll probably only be able to Time-Skip once more in this state. But that one time will be your end. I'll show you, definitely in 0.1 seconds."

[Grimlock]

This manga is so useless

No, the manga serves to grab Japanese fans money.

[Pannaliciour]

Oke people I THINK we need a Korean to help us. Are there any Korean amongst us?

[sintzu]

This manga is so useless

It just made Vegeta look better so it's doing something right.

[dbzfan7]

About Hit. Was he saying he'd tire out in a minute going all out, or he'd win in a minute? I find it odd he'd tire so fast going all out. Which was it?

He says his power may not last a minute since he hasn't had a reason to go to max in so long, which means that he may only be able to pull off one more Time-Skip, but that it would be more than enough to take Goku down. Goku of course denies this, blah blah blah.

Man you probably hate being in Herms spot right now? Talking about this kinda crap you probably don't care much about .

[Xeztin]

The biggest thing were forgetting to take from this is SSG in the new outfit! we now have all the new forms in both the old and new outfits.

[dbs fanboy]

What about if that was a weird drawn kaioken? what about if Goku went kaioken first and then turned super saiyan blue plus the kaio ken?

We're not assuming what form it was. The characters literally state in the dialogue that Goku is using Super Saiyan God.

Damn!, now i don't know how to feel, well i guess that this is good, i mean if the manga has different things, then it's more interesting to read it.
Well anyways, i'm glad that i could see super saiyan God once again, i really like it's aura.

[HeroR]

Toriyama said that would be nice that Toyotaro would bring his own ideas, meaning that he doesn't do this too often, actually. And also has confirmed that he supervises the storyboards from Toyotaro, meaning that they need his approval. He even made Toyotaro change a few things as far as we know. So yes, the manga is closest to Toriyama.

Toriyama said the same thing about the anime. As he described it for the Future Trunks Saga, he writes an outline or script, and hands it to Toei. They then break them up into episodes and send him the draft for final approvement. So the anime script and story details are seen and approved by Toriyama. So he saw the Goku used the Kaio-Ken with Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan and said, OK. Basically, he let Toei and Toyotaro do their own thing as long as they follow his general outline.

So really, this whole thing about what it 'truer' to Toriyama's vision is just fans cherry-picking stuff that they like and trying to use Word of God to support what they want to believe.

[sintzu]

We now have all the new forms in both the old and new outfits.

We still don't have Ssj2&3.

[Chelentano]

Chelanto

Toriyama said that would be nice that Toyotaro would bring his own ideas, meaning that he doesn't do this too often, actually. And also has confirmed that he supervises the storyboards from Toyotaro, meaning that they need his approval. He even made Toyotaro change a few things as far as we know. So yes, the manga is closest to Toriyama.

Toyotaro just uses Toriyama's script as an outline and then adds what he feels like adding.At that point it's Toyotaro's work.

Daizenshuu did the same thing heck Toriyama even apprecieateed them beacuse he forgot most of his work but that doesn't mean it's closer to Toriyama's work.

Then to make matters worse the manga is an adaptation of the anime.

People tend to go with whatever fits thier power levels and then claim it came from Toriyama.

It's pointless to me to continue this conversation. You just repeat the same again and again without even quoting a source while I'm talking about an interview with both Toyotaro and Toriyama explaining those things. Pointless. You can't even quote my username, wich is an automatic feature.